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AIBU to ask what your next move would be if you were Putin?

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Chowbellow · 03/09/2022 13:01

So. You're Putin. You rule a massive amount of people. You're ex KGB. You want to take over the world perhaps (or maybe just want to play!).
What is your next move now that the West is in crisis as you won't supply them with oil/gas?
Your people are dying but you've loads of people. You've invaded a non NATO country so you know they won't touch you.

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Tierne · 05/09/2022 05:39

You can't suddenly arm a nation which is vehemently opposed to the cost of it, vehemently opposed to war and vehemently opposed to armies

Every country is vehemently opposed to the cost and concept of war. War is hugely expensive. Ireland has been slacking off, presuming that the UK or US will step in and perform defence duties on its behalf. And what do you mean it has "no desire to protect the EU states"?

mathanxiety · 05/09/2022 07:02

Oh FFS

Ireland?

Putin is going to attack Ireland?

Lay off the glue.

mathanxiety · 05/09/2022 07:12

I know very little about Russia

Talk about stating the bleeding obvious.

It is very obvious from your flights of fancy here that you know absolutely nothing about Russia, Russian history, or contemporary Russia.

Nolongerteaching · 05/09/2022 08:27

I got the ferry to Ireland recently. I fell asleep for the first hour or so on it, on one of the window seats and when I woke up, I could see a frigate in the sea.

I don’t know whose it was prob Royal Navy? but I have never seen any other ship so close when crossing St George’s Channel/ the Irish Sea.

Bit of a shock, tbh. Wasn’t expecting that at all.

Chowbellow · 05/09/2022 10:00

mathanxiety · 05/09/2022 07:12

I know very little about Russia

Talk about stating the bleeding obvious.

It is very obvious from your flights of fancy here that you know absolutely nothing about Russia, Russian history, or contemporary Russia.

Even more obvious that you haven't read the thread since you appear to think Ireland is going to be attacked by Russia. If you had any comprehension abilities, you'd see that I stated (and indeed Russia has stated) that London is a target and Irish waters are the obvious place to fire from.

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Chowbellow · 05/09/2022 10:02

Tierne · 05/09/2022 05:39

You can't suddenly arm a nation which is vehemently opposed to the cost of it, vehemently opposed to war and vehemently opposed to armies

Every country is vehemently opposed to the cost and concept of war. War is hugely expensive. Ireland has been slacking off, presuming that the UK or US will step in and perform defence duties on its behalf. And what do you mean it has "no desire to protect the EU states"?

Ireland is never likely to be a target itself, so arming Ireland would be simply an exercise to either protect the UK or the EU.

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Chowbellow · 05/09/2022 10:06

CheapBeersFilledwithCrocodileTears · 04/09/2022 20:15

Well I definitely hope you don’t suffer a “fall out the window” or off your balcony @Chowbellow

That said, I didn’t think what Putin wanted was any big secret. He’s made it clear for fuck all ever. He’s made it VERY clear since 2006. He made it clear in 2008. He made it clear when he invaded Crimea, and yes, it was an invasion, and no, the sovereign nation of Ukraine did not invite him to trample their borders, and he’s made it clear in 2022. He wants a lasting legacy, and he wants that legacy to be the re-establishment of the USSR. He has fomented the Russian people to support this, and polls now show that 75% of Russians say the Soviet era was the greatest in Russian history, so he has all the support he needs at home, and everyone going against him DOESN’T have that support from their constituents in their home democracies. I mean, you can’t even get an entire Mumsnet thread to agree. Ukraine is the writing on the wall - if Russia takes it, then Russia will collect the rest of the former Soviet states like marbles. Putin does not want to allow any group with military influence to interfere in what he deems the Russian sphere of influence. The EU isn’t a military influence. But NATO sure is. Which is why he lost his rag over Ukraine originally getting a NATO Membership Action Plan in 2008, and keeps going on his rant over how Ukraine isn’t a country again and again and again. Putin saying any former USSR state isn’t a “real” country should tell you everything about his motives and beliefs. The truth is that even Crimea, which Putin claimed Russia had such an inherent right to, doesn’t belong to Russia historically. Less than 6% of its history is “Russian.” It was only part of “Russia” for 168 years.
www.ukrweekly.com/uwwp/putins-rambling-manifesto-causes-stir-in-kyiv-and-among-ukraine-observers-worldwide/

As for Russian ships sitting in the Irish Sea, what difference does it make? They’ve already got missiles that can reach from Russia to London in an hour, faster than you can evacuate. Ships are just posturing. If they bomb, it will likely come from Russia itself, or their positions in Ukraine, and they’ve already flat out stated London will be the target. In June, a Putin spokesman said they’d attack the UK by cutting off our power supplies, which they’ve now done, and they said in the same “speech” that they would start by bombing London, IF bombing the West ever starts. So it’s not like they’re keeping these plans or motivations super secret.
www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/vladimir-putin-ally-london-bomb-world-war-3-b2108980.html?amp

@mathanxiety perhaps you could read the last paragraph and linked article from this poster.

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BlackeyedSusan · 05/09/2022 10:26

If I were Putin, I would be quite pleased I had managed to stir the pot and got brexit. Influenced the American elections and got trump. Now I am after Germany. Would have my teams on social media talking about the immigrants that arrived a few years back, how energy prices would be lower if they were sent back home. I would also be dropping in theories and rants onto social media about negotiating with Russia to get the gas turned back on while simultaneously banging on about how Angela Merkel was wrong to sign up to deals with Russia. Lots of influencing the German general public about various things to get them infighting and disturbing the social order.

The UK is quite divided and disrupted already due to Brexit, food and energy prices but Boris has been annoying supporting Ukraine so I may start rumours about Ukrainian refugees, and Zelensky to reduce the support.

I'd be out to get Biden too so he can't get any more funding for Ukraine through government. Stirring up the mid term elections.

Also would try and get a rift between France and Germany as Europe is stronger after Brexit. Those Germans have bought all the gas and are risking the French being cold all winter. I might agitate arsonists in the south of France to cause wildfires. Distract them and make them spend money on their own country.

BlackeyedSusan · 05/09/2022 10:28

Ps nrtft just going from page one. Will read back and see what others have said.

BlackeyedSusan · 05/09/2022 10:41

I would be working on cyber attacks. The NHS system is old and vulnerable. Look for different systems in Europe that are also vulnerable. Try to take down a power grid.

Use monkey pox to stir social division. Get someone in the UK leadership to use the tighter laws that have been quietly passed/proposed on curbing demonstrations and the power of the judiciary. Make courts less independent. Ban foreign courts from ruling over the UK. Boris is a traitor needs pay back. Truss seems easy to manipulate. (Sorry still on page one)

Nolongerteaching · 05/09/2022 12:08

Blimey @BlackeyedSusan

You’ve put a bit of thought into this. Be careful you’re not recruited…

Ban foreign courts from ruling over the UK

btw, what do you mean by this? Would n’t the thought of foreign supremacy be more divisive?

BlackeyedSusan · 05/09/2022 12:25

@Nolongerteaching (me neither)
If you ban the European Court ruling over the UK you can introduce your own laws that reduce human rights to UK citizens and gradually move to a more authoritarian state which we have been doing quietly over the last few years. This will take out Britain as an anti Russian power and revenge for supporting Ukrainian move towards Europe centred politics and western democracy.

France, support Marine Le Pen and rouse up the farmers and fishermen.

The US and Europe were the biggest power blocks that were "anti Russian"

If Ukraine had been successful I would be moving in on Moldova. I have already got break away blocks in both Moldova (?) and Georgia thus preventing them from moving towards the EU/NATO.

I am going to stir up Serbia and former Yugoslavia into trouble again. Won't take much effort.

Turkey is in Nato and I will move it even further away from NATO ideals than it is already.

Finland might need dissuading from joining NATO or need to reap the consequences of joining.

Keep the squeeze on Belarus keep them mine.

Keep poking various states with sorties into airspace and territorial waters so that their armed forces need the resources at home not in Ukraine or Serbia or on the NATO borders. It uses up their resources too.

mathanxiety · 05/09/2022 18:35

I've read it, @chowbellow

Paper never refused ink, as they say.

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