I have outgrown men

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Before all the namalt brigade come along I'm well aware.

Thing is it's true I have outgrown the ridiculouness and childishness of men.

I'm married but even so I feel like I'd be better off alone most of the time. Nothing wrong with dh as such but I'm more able and stronger alone.

I have just been to the pub and all the women were complimentary of each other. Going with the flow. And enjoying themselves. The men were either grumpy or showing brovado. There was an incident on our table that involved new men intimidating each other and I just went home.

The thing is this isn't a table of young men. It's professionals and grown ups. I just cant be bothered with it.

None of the women got involved but it spoilt the night.

I told dh I don't have time for such pathetic behaviour.

It never ends. It doesn't matter how old or wise we become men seem to revert back to this strange behaviour.

I deal with it day in day out at my work and I simply can't be bothered. If I never had to see another man, mansplaining, dominating conversation, throwing their weight around, bravado, dick measuring, causing a scene in my life it would be too soon.

Absolutely done with it.

40 percent of DV. Yeah, right! Think you’ve just outed yourself as an MRA, MisogynistBarbie.

Well, I've already posted about a dozen previous studies which found that women commit in almost equal numbers. However, here's a link to the 40%.

Obv, 40% is too high to blame it on gay relationships - also unlikely as lesbians are statistically more violent than hetero couples and gay men less violent.

The charity's analysis of statistics on domestic violence shows the number of men attacked by wives or girlfriends is much higher than thought. Its report, Domestic Violence: The Male Perspective, states: "Domestic violence is often seen as a female victim/male perpetrator problem, but the evidence demonstrates that this is a false picture."

Data from Home Office statistical bulletins and the British Crime Survey show that men made up about 40% of domestic violence victims each year between 2004-05 and 2008-09, the last year for which figures are available. In 2006-07 men made up 43.4% of all those who had suffered partner abuse in the previous year, which rose to 45.5% in 2007-08 but fell to 37.7% in 2008-09.

Obv the gov don't deem it important enough to collect the figures nowadays, but they were pretty consistent year on year and also supported by more recent studies.

I'm just doing what feminists say men should do: calling out members of my own sex for their open sexism. 🤷‍♀️

Ah, the report Domestic Violence: The Male Perspective, put out by Parity, a men’s rights organisation using a definition of DV as any kind of self reported “emotional or financial” abuse reported by men 🤣

Call him a bastard, and it’s just exactly the same as having your face battered in by a man. Oh yeah!

MosogynistBarbie, DFO with your rubbish.

Preach. Sometimes I hope my daughter turns out to be lesbian so she doesn't have to deal with utterly rubbish men.

Bet you're glad you don't have a son then.

@PainsandAches , you do realise that with every post you make, you reinforce the sentiment at the heart of this thread?

You're doing what many men do (don't know or care if you are a man or not) - responding to emotion with an attempt at 'fact tennis'. It just makes you come across as a dickhead, to be honest.

Agreed @FrancescaContini

I also just went through that Parity Men’s Rights Campaigning “document” posted by @TokidokiBarbie — didn’t take long; a GCSE student would have been embarrassed to put that together — since I use citation databases all the time. Happy to confirm for all on the thread that all the references are either unfindable, missing, “unpublished” (hah) or completely not as represented in the lamentable “report”.

So you and your MRA fake statistics and MRA campaign group nonsense can push off, Babs, because this fucking whinging and whining from men, self-victimisation, narcissistic nonsense and making up fake statistics about how hard done by they are is just another of the unappealing and shitty things about men tbh.

'MRA fake statistics' from the British Crime Survey and Home Office? 😂

Okay, if you say so....

I think this thread is good proof of how terrifying a matriarchy would be.

They also do this thing where they keep replying because they need to 'win'.

www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/crimeandjustice/articles/domesticabusevictimcharacteristicsenglandandwales/yearendingmarch2019#sex

The ONS has the figure at 33%. Not 40%, but pretty close.

@TokidokiBarbie
You need to learn to read studies.
You insist lesbians have more DV, read futher so you see who the perpetrators mostly are.
I’ll give you a spoiler, but you won’t like it:
it’s men.

Where is this research on lesbian violence?

Oh the irony.

Let’s see some more of Parity’s reports on behalf of the poor men and their beleaguered rights, who are oppressed left and right throughout society so much that the poor things need help from wb3, Barbie et all to convince us that they are such gentle, chivalrous, quiet, submissive and put-upon creatures whose voice is ever soft, gentle and low (an excellent thing in men).

Do you accept the ONS statistics?

A simple yes or no will suffice.

In most cases I whole heartedly agree. Even BF agrees - he's an Asppie and is endless puzzled by behaviour of 'lads' and 'council estate thugs'. As a differently abled outsider he feels we often only see worst behaviour from these idiots.
And the nicer quite middle class academic types fly under the radar as they do not make big noises.

Thus apart from guys he went to school with and a few others, he has few male friends.

At work I see a ridiculous amount of macho posturing, particularly from the electricians and tech installation guys.
Only hang with those men that don't irritate you - they are hard to find but do exist.

Sigh.

These are from the ONS website, but the data you have yourself linked to specifically warns that these are not ONS statistics: they are police recorded crime data. There are significant issues with drawing conclusions from this data, including the fact that not all forces submit data and the collection policy ranges widely across forces. So “domestic abuse” in these police data sets covers reported crime for everything from emotional and psychological abuse and financial abuse, to verbal abuse, actual bodily harm to grievous bodily harm. (These are not either charged or prosecuted offences in court.)

See some of the problems with these data sets (and guidelines for their use) at:

assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/560132/pprc-user-guide-oct16.pdf

Take a look at convictions for domestic abuse and you will see a radically different picture.

Was there a bat call that went up somewhere?.

"Quick there are so women discussing amongst themselves that they don't particularly like the way men behave. Let's go and tell them their opinion is wrong."

Exactly where I said it was (may I suggest you RTFT next time. 😉).

In 2013, the American Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) found that from a sample of 16,000 U.S. adults, 26% of homosexual men, 37.3% of bisexual men, and 29% of heterosexual men had been a victim of intimate partner violence, compared to 43.8% of lesbians, 61.1% of bisexual women and 35% of heterosexual women. CDC Director Tom Frieden stated, "This report suggests that lesbians, gay men and bisexuals in this country suffer a heavy toll of sexual violence and stalking committed by an intimate partner."[38]

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Domestic_violence_against_men

Bat call received. Standing by. Roger. Over.

Oh, I guess we should also ignore the CSEW then when it comes to womens reports of sexual assault and rape as these are not “actual” ONS statistics. 🤔