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AIUB to have woken my DH today ?

293 replies

trampolinegame · 27/08/2022 07:18

He works a lot. Has maybe one day off a week, sometimes one day every two weeks.

When he is home, he's not particularly helpful with the kids or forthcoming.

I take care of everything else. Nights/ days. We have a small baby and a toddler. On his days off I always let him sleep as long as he wants, while I wrangle the kids by myself. I sleep with the baby and he gets the nice bed to himself, every night. Uninterrupted sleep. While I slog it in the rubbish bed with the baby. Because he has to be up early for work etc.

I have to ask him to do everything if he does partake at all in family life. He'll never just change the babies nappy while he's home or play with the toddler really. He just retreats. Always has other stuff to do for work etc.

Anyhow, this morning I saw he had again closed his bedroom door on us. He fell asleep with the door open, but then obviously closed it when he heard the baby this morning or in the night etc.

It just pissed me off. He's done it before. One morning I was really losing it from lack of sleep and I was just shouting to myself and rather than coming to help / see what's happening, he just closed his door on us / me.

Anyway, so this morning I just opened his door and let the toddler go in. He's now really angry with me.

OP posts:
RunningSME · 27/08/2022 09:24

Maireas · 27/08/2022 09:17

It's another dad who doesn't really want to fully engage in family life, like others on these boards, the Brazilian holiday one being a recent example.
I do wonder what discussions were held when these couples were planning children, and how some of these men imagined it would pan out.

I work with a lot of men, my office is predominantly male and half the time these babies werent ever discussed with them and in advance, they just presented to them and then for some strange reason the wives, girlfriends seem to think they will transform into amazing fathers.

People can bleat on as much as you like about all he knew what he was doing when he was having sex or he should’ve use protection if he didn’t want children yada yada yada, the reality of it is though that the only person that pays the price for not having these conversations in advance is the mothers.

Maireas · 27/08/2022 09:27

RunningSME · 27/08/2022 09:24

I work with a lot of men, my office is predominantly male and half the time these babies werent ever discussed with them and in advance, they just presented to them and then for some strange reason the wives, girlfriends seem to think they will transform into amazing fathers.

People can bleat on as much as you like about all he knew what he was doing when he was having sex or he should’ve use protection if he didn’t want children yada yada yada, the reality of it is though that the only person that pays the price for not having these conversations in advance is the mothers.

I actually think that's a very good point, and really what I'm talking about.
Before children, do couples discuss parenting, responsibilities and the changes to lifestyle? Not enough, clearly. Before having children - especially 2 close together - you need to plan and work it out as a couple.

LannieDuck · 27/08/2022 09:29

SunnyD44 · 27/08/2022 09:15

And why should the person who works 6/13 trump the needs of the person who works 14/14, and through the night too?

It’s completely different.

Mon-fri I’m much more tired than sat & sun.

Because with work you have to be up, dressed, smiling, on the ball etc.

Whereas at home you can just stay in your PJs if you need to. If you’re not feeling great or tired you don’t need to do the washing, hoovering etc and have much more flexibility in your day.

I’m not saying being a parent isn’t difficult because we all know it is but OP has said that DH cannot change his hours.

This isn’t someone who has days off but goes and does a hobby all day.

Of course when he’s home he should be present and do his fair share of the parenting but there’s absolutely no need to wake someone up at 7am when you know how exhausted they are.

I completely disagree.

My OH and I both worked 4 day weeks when the kids were tiny. We both agreed that our days at work were far easier than our days at home (and we work in very different industries).

At work you get time for a lunch break, and loo breaks. You get treated with respect and have adult conversation. Your co-workers don't (typically) have temper tantrums and throw up on you. You get a sense of satisfaction when you do your job well and other people praise you for it.

Obviously there are good and bad parts of both 'jobs', but it's definitely not as cut and dried as saying the OP in this post has a much easier time of it than her DH. They're both tired, and they both need time each week to recover. But apparently only the DH is allowed it because he's a man / has a paying job / shouts louder (delete as appropriate).

SunnyD44 · 27/08/2022 09:30

Actually, without help, I find weekends a lot harder. At work I can plan my time, take a (short) break.

@ChristmasSirens
Which is absolutely fine as some people do find parenting more challenging than others.

But the majority of people look forward to weekends and days off work.

padsi1975 · 27/08/2022 09:30

HE resents YOU? I am astonished at some of the posts on here. He chose to have children and looking after those children is part and parcel of that. We all felt exhausted when our children were babies, that's reality and it's incredibly selfish to put all of that on you. I can only imagine the posters who think you are being unreasonable don't have children or have forgotten how hard those early years are or are martyrs. I work full time, long hours and have 3 children. It is NOT harder to go to work. Being at home with 3 small children was, and remains, the most tiring and lonely time I have experienced in life (my husband works shift so was absent nights and most weekends). This is the stuff that breaks marriages. It's selfish to put it all on you and selfish to be disengaged when he is with you (and I do know what that feels like). These men that want children and then just want to act like nothing changed and it's all the Mother's workload to bear .... so unfair. I don't know how you get someone to change op but it's worth the battle I think or resentment will kill off your marriage eventually anyway. My sympathies to you.

quietnightmare · 27/08/2022 09:31
  1. new bed required
  2. man child needs to be sorted out
  3. DH or in this case H needs to pull his weight not just with work
  4. be prepared for realising he may not change and if having two kids hasn't made him sort himself out I wouldn't hold much hope but you could try
  5. tell him if he doesn't pull his weight neither he can do his own cooking cleaning etc
  6. if he's happy to live separate home lives then you will not stop the toddler doing what the toddler wants to do and going into whatever room they want
trampolinegame · 27/08/2022 09:31

The bed. You're being a martyr. You chose to co sleep, you chose to go into the other room you're choosing to have the less comfortable bed, that's ALL within your ability to change.

Not at all. I don't co sleep for one, the baby is in its own bed. Secondly, he's the one who doesn't want us in the bedroom with him and he's the one who can't sleep in the spare room. I didn't choose it. I'm doing it to make his life easier, because he can't have it any other way. I tried recently to sleep in bed with him again and the baby woke him up and he was angry about it.

OP posts:
FiveDollarMilkshake · 27/08/2022 09:32

he sounds really selfish, unkind and entitled to me.

why shouldn’t he do more and clean the toilets too? You’re not his slave

why are you in the rubbish bed with your kid and he’s able to shut the door and luxuriate in the nice bed?

why shouldn’t you get help from him or a lie in?

do you tell him that he’s moaning about stuff when he goes on about his super busy work schedule?

I cba with men like this and I don’t know why so many women put up with accepting this selfish behaviour from their so called partner

go and stay with your relatives or whatever is right for you OP and put your needs first please not his, it’s difficult enough with small children without a selfish man child around

Somethingneedstochange · 27/08/2022 09:33

You need to have a serious word with him. When the children have grown up and left home he will regret not spending more time with them. Someone posted something on Facebook they might not remember but we do. It's the building blocks of the relationship you have with your children and shape's them into the person they will become.

category12 · 27/08/2022 09:33

trampolinegame · 27/08/2022 09:31

The bed. You're being a martyr. You chose to co sleep, you chose to go into the other room you're choosing to have the less comfortable bed, that's ALL within your ability to change.

Not at all. I don't co sleep for one, the baby is in its own bed. Secondly, he's the one who doesn't want us in the bedroom with him and he's the one who can't sleep in the spare room. I didn't choose it. I'm doing it to make his life easier, because he can't have it any other way. I tried recently to sleep in bed with him again and the baby woke him up and he was angry about it.

Seriously, pack up and go stay with family. Get some rest. Get some tlc.

Decide whether you actually want to come back to this angry disinterested man.

Somethingsnappy · 27/08/2022 09:34

SunnyD44 · 27/08/2022 09:15

And why should the person who works 6/13 trump the needs of the person who works 14/14, and through the night too?

It’s completely different.

Mon-fri I’m much more tired than sat & sun.

Because with work you have to be up, dressed, smiling, on the ball etc.

Whereas at home you can just stay in your PJs if you need to. If you’re not feeling great or tired you don’t need to do the washing, hoovering etc and have much more flexibility in your day.

I’m not saying being a parent isn’t difficult because we all know it is but OP has said that DH cannot change his hours.

This isn’t someone who has days off but goes and does a hobby all day.

Of course when he’s home he should be present and do his fair share of the parenting but there’s absolutely no need to wake someone up at 7am when you know how exhausted they are.

Your last paragraph is pertinent here. When he's at home he should do his fair share of patenting, you say? Absolutely correct. This involves them both getting equal lie-ins.

And op was up at 2/3am and then again 5am for the day. Exhausted from lacking sleep and working through the night. So no need for her to wake up early if she's exhausted, eh?

Maireas · 27/08/2022 09:34

trampolinegame · 27/08/2022 09:31

The bed. You're being a martyr. You chose to co sleep, you chose to go into the other room you're choosing to have the less comfortable bed, that's ALL within your ability to change.

Not at all. I don't co sleep for one, the baby is in its own bed. Secondly, he's the one who doesn't want us in the bedroom with him and he's the one who can't sleep in the spare room. I didn't choose it. I'm doing it to make his life easier, because he can't have it any other way. I tried recently to sleep in bed with him again and the baby woke him up and he was angry about it.

Angry when his own wee baby wakes him? There's a problem right there.

GlueyMooey · 27/08/2022 09:35

What type of job does he have. It's one thing feeling tired with the kids then having a slobby afternoon watching tv or whatever but another being knackered and operating dangerous equipment or driving etc.

Little kids are really tiring but they are a million times more rewarding and fun than going into work 13 out of 14 days. That's just relentless.

padsi1975 · 27/08/2022 09:39

Somethingsnappy · 27/08/2022 09:05

@SunnyD44. How can she be lazy or have a nap with both a baby and a toddler?

And why should the person who works 6/13 trump the needs of the person who works 14/14, and through the night too?

This!!!!! 100% this!

FiveDollarMilkshake · 27/08/2022 09:40

he says he can’t sleep in the share room BUT expects you to? Wtf

is this thread a wind up?

padsi1975 · 27/08/2022 09:41

GlueyMooey · 27/08/2022 09:07

YABU

Working long hours 13 days straight must be exhausting. I know having little kids is tiring too but it's very different. You are at home and unless the kids have serious issues you get plenty of time to relax and have fun.

You can do things when you like and you aren't goring to get in trouble.
You woke him up to spite him. That was immature and unkind.
He needs to engage when he is not working but you are doing it the wrong way.
What hours does he work?

'you get plenty of time to relax and have fun'
With a baby and toddler????? Jesus wept!!!!!

roarfeckingroarr · 27/08/2022 09:42

He sounds really rubbish. Do you gain anything from him being there?

Livelovebehappy · 27/08/2022 09:43

Don’t sleep with the baby in a broken bed. Sleep with your DH. Broken sleep with children is something which happens, and it seems silly to martyr yourself.

SunnyD44 · 27/08/2022 09:45

@Somethingsnappy so are you honestly telling me that if DH was a SAHP and OP came on here and said she’d had her first day off in 13 days and DH woke her up at 7am to keep him company - you would say that’s fine?

You’d say good on DH as him being a SAHP means he is more entitled to a lie in than you who has just done 13 days?

I’m struggling to believe you would.

deeperthanallroses · 27/08/2022 09:46

@SunnyD44 she said she only did it because he has a week off? So it’s not his one day…

ThirteenLuckyForSome · 27/08/2022 09:46

I think if he is only taking 1 day off a fortnight and you are on mat leave I'd expect you to do most of the looking after the children and let him sleep. I had 2 of my children 18months apart and at the time my husband was working ft and retraining in another career at the same time. His working hours were mental and he was exhausted. I was exhausted too looking after a newborn and a toddler but I could laze around the house all day if I was tired, he couldn't. He did still do a lot of house jobs though, he just didn't do any getting up in the night etc (I've always breastfed so he couldn't anyway).

Fast forward a few years we had another child and we are both back to normal full time jobs, he does do longer hours than me. Everything is 50/50 in fact he probably does marginally more with the kids/at home than me now. Today I had a lie in, tomorrow he can have a lie in and I will get up with the kids.

If you were both working ft and he was doing this I'd say he was shit, but he's working long hours outside the home when you aren't in work so I think you are being unreasonable to expect him to not have a lie in once every 2 weeks. If you go back ft I'd expect him to do more though.

padsi1975 · 27/08/2022 09:50

Other than money, what is he contributing? Really give this some thought. Would your life be much different if you were apart? I know he's your DH and the kids Dad but really and truly, if he's causing more angst than happiness......what's the point in being together?

Somethingneedstochange · 27/08/2022 09:54

My husband said to me this morning as he got the kids ready for a day out "They'll never remember.
All this stuff we do with them, the places we take them...they won't remember much of it".

He is right. They wont.
Not much of it anyway. But still it matters.
Because he and I will remember.

Someday in the future,

As the door opens and our son introduces his first girlfriend or boyfriend, we will remember a time when all that mattered in his world was his mum and dad. And that how we treated him painted the canvass of how he sees this first relationship.

As our teenage daughter runs up the stairs claiming we dont understand her, we will remember that all it took when she was 5-years-old was a kiss, a cuddle and soothing words and that although she has no memory of it, she returns for those words aged 15.

We will remember as we choose the paint that will redecorate the hall, that we dont have to worry about the expensive paint that you can rub handprints from anymore.
And I will yearn, I will ache, for a tiny handprint on my wall.

And as I watch my children with their children, I will remember that every trip to the park, every day we bombed them with love, every time we played hide and seek, shaped the map that they walked upon,
in their quest to be a good parent themselves.

And as I walk along the beach someday in years to come, my face lined with the creases of my thoughts, my moments of panic, my moments of joy, I will feel the hot sand on the soles of my feet and remember my child walking to the sea with his dad on a day that I thought would last forever, but has now long gone.

I'll remember.

And my darling child, I will tell you what you dont remember...

Holding your 8lb body against my skin in a feeling that would defy what I ever thought possible.

Holding your hand as you took your first steps. Away from me. Towards the world.

Holding your waist as you navigated a pathway that had imaginary crocodiles trying to snap your ankles.

Holding it together when your daddy threw you up into the air, you squealing with delight, me squirming with anticipation.

Holding a book, a breast pump, a baby and a hand whilst I read you a story.

Holding back the tears when you had me filled with pride at your school play.

And you may say "I dont remember any of that".

No.

But I will.

And I watch you transition from child to teenager to adult to parent to home owner, I will know that what I remember, keeps you close to me.

And what you dont remember, made you, you.

And no matter how old you are, precious little child, should you find yourself up in the air, call us.

Daddy knows how to catch you. Remember?

Mam and Dad 💛

SunnyD44 · 27/08/2022 09:57

she said she only did it because he has a week off? So it’s not his one day…

@deeperthanallroses yes as part of a drip feed which you’ll see that I said is completely different and he shouldn’t be having a lie in or they should be taking in turns.

But PPs are saying after working 13 days straight that he shouldn’t be allowed to sleep in after 7am which I think is BU.

catandcoffee · 27/08/2022 09:57

Just go and stay with family and make plans to leave him.

He's not interested in family life, his behaviour shows this.

As for people saying he works hard, so does the OP....24 hours with 2 Children, cooking,cleaning up,broken sleep.

OP he serves no purpose to you or your children.

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