To think that Liz Truss as PM will mean a Labour government?

[VicToryA]

I am no fan of this so-called Conservative government (thanks to Brexit and lockdowns, both of which I detest). So I suppose I'm a lifelong centre-ish Conservative with a desire not to have a bunch of loony lefties in control, but with no real political home at the moment.

Given a choice between Truss and Sunak, I would have to choose Sunak. I know, though, that it will end up with Truss as PM.

AIBU to think this will mean a Labour government and years in the political wilderness for the Conservative party?

The people of the United Kingdom, or at least enough of them, can be taken in by a 'red scare' or the idea that the SNP will hold the balance of power and dictate terms, or any one of a number of other strange notions. So whilst I have no expectation of an 80 seat Tory majority again, not banking on a Labour government or even the Tories not being the largest party again.

Other things to bear in mind are the plans for ID when voting, and some Tory voters may just not vote, instead of voting for someone else.

Boy Tory HQ is going into meltdown this morning. Genuinely laughed out loud reading Bollidgers increasingly desperate ranting to try and convince us all that Labour are unelectable.

This thread appears to be designed to dishearten potential/swing voters. If Labour is starting to climb in the polls, the Tory’s have to mount a multifaceted campaign to sow doubt and limit this because once voters think Labour has a strong chance they will want to be on the ‘winning team’.

Before we get to a GE in 2024 we shall have turmoil within the Party. Different factions will form power blocks and try to push separate policies. ERG for one.
Longer established MPs with some Remain sympathies for another.
It will be hell.
Meanwhile Labour have to agree a convincing manifesto. Not rehash the old one.
It won't be peace and love on that side of the house either.

It will depend on how Truss manages, and that may depend on who she has around her.

Given that the list of potential Truss cabinet members contained names such as John Redwood, Ian Duncan-Smith and Suella Braverman I wouldn't hold out much hope. It was suggested she might put Kemi Badenoch in education, who suggested schools should save money by not offering extra-curricular activities and cutting non-existent support staff. She has her hands tied by needing to stuff the cabinet with Brexit supporters because this is supposedly all that matters, even though Brexit is apparently "done". Perhaps they will advise her to carry on suggesting that the President of France is an enemy as she did in a recent hustings. As Foreign Secretary she really has got the hang of this diplomacy thing so that bodes well for her as PM.

Well I think it is even funnier that you think that wishful thinking will get a Labour victory.
Mumsnet is very liberal in views and so out of touch with reality politically speaking. BINO was so funny as a thread, there were about 5 of us that could see the future and they were trying to put the people that disagreed down just like on this thread. How did that go for you?

Please name one policy that the Labour Party are advocating that is 'loony'?

Lisa Nandy thinks that it's right that child rapists can be incarcerated within women's prisons. Granted, the law that allowed it to happen was passed under the May government but at least her successors have started to backpedal, rather than pushing on

So Nandy's private musings but a Tory legislated policy.

The Tories back pedalling (if they have) hasn't actually changed the law.... so we have the far right blaming Labour for a Tory policy introduced 5 years ago and showing no sign of being changed by a tory Govt and thats the best you can find for a "loony left" policy... laughable.

All Govts would have supported Ukraine and try to remember that for 11 years prior to Putins invasion, the Tories refused point blank to sell or supply any weapons to Ukraine.

Johnson saw an opportunity and went hell for leather for it, fortunately it was also the right thing to do but he didn't do it for because of that.

Based on what? That's a straight out of the Daily Mail comment if ever I saw one.

A 15pt lead, as we go into at the very least a recession, is grounds to believe, that after 12 years of doing (and i quote) "Bugger all", this very damaging self serving govt is on its way out.

But a week is a long time in politics.

Have you looked at the Polls? Starmer miles ahead. And the media you quote is the right wing media. Balance is everything.

Burnham had his chance and failed to become Leader. And he's a much better mayor.

There's quite a lot of talent on Labour's front bench but it suits people to ignore that.

@Malie - you mean socialist governments that left the NHS, Education, the Judiciary & Policing in a far better place than they are now? Those socialist governments?

Cornyn had a great lead, a great policy and younger voters backing him. He lost.
Ed Miliband sure thing, that stone tablet, he lost.
Labour have been handed so many open goal shots in the last few years and yet again they are sort of just there. An opposition party which has a saggy worn out look to the voters. For God's sake when will they join the game.

@VicToryA - are you still at school? Because usually that's where childish name calling happens.

So you would not vote for a better , fairer country because you don't agree with one tiny issue ?

His choice obviously. But student politics doesn't win elections.

Out of curiosity do you know why Starmer was knighted? Because your retort is offensive.

Could you imagine the passion if Ed Balls was having a go at Boris as the opposition....

He had his chance too & failed. Same time as Burnham.

The next general election isn’t until 2025, why do people think that we will have a new government before then? Wouldn’t the Conservative party have to allow that to happen? Why would they do that even if they have a completely useless idiot at PM? There is no way they would call a snap election knowing how likely they would be to lose, right?

sorry I’m not a political expert, if someone can explain I would appreciate it.

They haven't destroyed it. That's an improvement.

IF we follow convention, we will have a GE in May or October 2024, no way can the GE be delayed until 2025, that would beyond the 5 year limit.

The latest would be December 2024.

Can others back me up on this.
A strong Labour would equal a strong Tory Govenment.
We want Labour to call the Torys on every little thing.
We want an opposition party which has passion and drive.
What went wrong!

Sometimes there is pressure on a new leader to hold an election so they don't have to put up with two years of being told nobody voted for them and they have a mandate, particularly if they have some new policies they want to put through which differ from the original manifesto. Or they might hope for a new leader bounce. However, with Truss and a worsening cost-of-living crisis I would be surprised if they don't cling on to the bitter end and hope that things will have improved in two years (which will be no thanks to Truss).

Are you trying to garner support for Sunak? They are both so wildly out of touch with the citizens, it’s unbelievable.

Sorry I meant 2024 not 2025 but in any case that’s still a very long time before the next election and my question still stands. Why are we discussing a labour government like it could actually happen in the near term? Is there actually any chance that the Conservative party would allow an election before they are forced to when they are so likely to lose?