To think that Liz Truss as PM will mean a Labour government?

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I am no fan of this so-called Conservative government (thanks to Brexit and lockdowns, both of which I detest). So I suppose I'm a lifelong centre-ish Conservative with a desire not to have a bunch of loony lefties in control, but with no real political home at the moment.

Given a choice between Truss and Sunak, I would have to choose Sunak. I know, though, that it will end up with Truss as PM.

AIBU to think this will mean a Labour government and years in the political wilderness for the Conservative party?

At least under the Loony Lefties that woman would be warm, fed, and not financially fucked while the government gives backhanders to its mates.

The Conservatives are no friend to women.

I bloody well hope so. It is people like you OP with their insistence on buying the daily mail that have led us into this mess. This government have no answers and couldn't have done any worse and still people like you are calling them a centrist party.

God help us if a majority of people would find Andy Burnham "relatable".

Please name one policy that the Labour Party are advocating that is 'loony'?

Loony lefties who don't know what a woman is!
oh the Tories know what women are. Remember Tories chose Johnson as their leader..........
*Johnson left one - Nazanin Zachariah Ratciffe locked in an Iranian prison because of his inaccurate comments about her.
*Johnson knows many by the nickname he gave them 'pillarboxes'
*Tories knew many old woman that died in Nursing Homes because of their lack of care and funding during the Pandemic
*Truss knows one democratically elected to lead the Scottish - she will ignore her and in doing so, ignore the Scots
*Johnson knows many women intimately - he married and divorced some, had affairs with others
*Johnson, refers to women MP's as 'hot totty'
*Johnson said "voting Tory will cause your wife to have big breasts and increase your chances of owning a BMW M3

I'll leave his comments about single mothers, unmarried women and female university students for those who still admire this abomination of a government to look up. Oh - and even using 'girly swot' and 'big girls blouse' to insult other male MP's.

About time this excuse for voting Tory ('at least they know what a woman is') is ditched altogether, and just admit you vote Tory because you think their leadership is great, taking the country to hell in a handcart as they are!

Or she will ‘square up’ to Putin and look all Presidential while the conflict naturally de escalates anyway. And walks into a landslide majority in 2025. You simply cannot bet on anything.

Or just name one policy.

I think a Labour government is extremely likely at the next election. I am concerned that they are not quite as cohesive as they could be - I think there is a division between the Corbyn supporters with the unions, and the Starmer supporters with the Blairites, and fear that will deepen and deepen as their prospects of really being in power increase.

I'm also wary that they may not win a good majority and end up forming a coalition with one or more other parties, which will make hard decisions difficult at a time when hard decisions may be desparately required.

I hope we won't have a repeat of the 1970s where no one could get on top of things and we had repeated elections - 2 in 1974 - and changes of government. I assume someone decisive will eventually take charge, but the situation may be so bad by then that there could be tough consequences.

Thank you stoneofdestiny. I am getting so sick of this shit. Well said.

Agree with you Stoneo!! BJ is not exactly a role model for treating women with respect!! He is the most misogynistic PM we have ever had !

Indeed. He is an appalling excuse for a human being, let alone a PM.

Who wins the next election, I doubt either will get a good majority

Why is it so hard for people to not see how no matter what the polls say, and polls move very fast before elections, the voting public do not TRUST Labour.
Cornyn got the students to trust him, Blair was all about time for a change.

Labour now are like a laundry basket of wet washing, you left for a week the blouse you love is in the pile, but you shudder to engage because it smells off.

Literally today they’ve said that if they were in power they would freeze energy costs and have the finances worked out for this, this is what they will be calling for when parliament returns.

look out for it rebranded from the tories in the not to distant future.

But they don't do they , they vote on a local level not national

I do think the main thing keeping the Conservatives in power was the mysterious attraction of BJ. In the previous election they lost their majority. You would have thought that a difficult time ecinomically would make Labour a shio
Never discount the willingness of the British public to vote for anything in a blue rosette though.

The Tories are done. Truss will just make the losses bigger, like with the Major government in the 90s, although Starmer is no Blair.

Just be clear that The Tories chose Johnson, now a convicted criminal, as 'their best'......maybe because he had such a clear description of women.........

In articles written for The Spectator, Boris Johnson attacked single mothers and unmarried women:

Johnson described children of ‘single mothers’ as “ill-raised, ignorant, aggressive and illegitimate … who in theory will be paying for our pensions.” He goes on to say that it is “outrageous that married couples should pay for ‘the single mothers’ desire to procreate independently of men.”

Johnson said the ‘blame’ was not on “uppity and irresponsible women” for getting pregnant because it was their “natural desire” and there was only a limited ‘pool’ of men

Johnson criticised “the modern Briton [for] his reluctance or inability to take control of his woman.”

•Johnson suggested that there needed to be a way found “to restore women’s desire to be married”

Johnson also suggested that the prospect of social housing is an ‘enticement’ for young women to have children, and goes on to argue that “cuts in the safety net” to leave women in “destitution on a Victorian scale” would act as a deterrent to unmarried women having children

These comments join a long line of sexist and misogynistic comments made by Boris Johnson during his journalistic and political career. He once wrote that the way to deal with advice from a female colleague was to “just pat her on the bottom and send her on her way”, suggested that the increase in the number of Malaysian women going to university was to “find men to marry” and branded David Cameron a ‘girly swot’

I’ll take my chances with the loony left rather than a bunch of fuckwit fascists. Emphasis on the fuckwit.

That's the English electorate for you. Even they've had enough now though surely. Once they're hit badly enough in the pocket the forelocks get put back in the closet for a bit. People won't be able to afford to heat their homes and long term policies like privatisation are coming home to roost, while the rich just get richer.

First you said they weren't polling well, now you admit they are polling well but that polls mean nothing?

Great input.

Lots of Mumsnet keep calling it wrong.
Do you all think that maybe your misreading the way the voting public actually feel?
Do you think that wishful thinking and bad mouthing helps, when it is wrong each time?
Yet again Labour will lose, because they have this wrong view of the voters and Trust issues they won't resolve.

Agreed. I remember when Theresa May was PM, everyone was saying it couldn’t get any worse, anyone but her etc etc. Then look…

PMSL. I have never bought the Daily Mail in my life. Or even read it, come to that.

If you re-read my OP, you will see that I am a Europhile centrist, and I am saying that this bunch of monkeys are not.

It is still nearly impossible for the Labour party to secure enough seats to form the government with a suitable majority. Maybe a coalition if the parties on the left are compelled enough by then. But all the old reasons have not gone away.