We Must Endure High Bills. Proud

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AIBU to be proud of Boris Johnstone-in this matter-when said, while visiting Ukraine on their Independence Day, that we must endure high bills as remember that Ukraine are paying in blood.

I was worried about the soaring cost of bills-power/food but this made me stop and pause.

Aibu to think that we should all write down what he said and put it on the fridge to remind ourselves that it will be worth it. We're doing it for Ukraine and it is worse for them.

hashtag. Proud to Pay for Ukraine

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you can obviously afford to pay the extortionate price rises if you think that we should suffer because of the war in Ukraine

i wonder if you will be so charitable when this actually affects you in some way Even if not you but your family friends someone you care about can’t heat their home or feed their kids
or their business goes under or they lose their house because of the recession

charity starts at home as far as I’m concerned

and while people in the uk are starving dying because they can’t heat or eat and business go under because people have no money to spend
I won’t ever agree with that dick BJ

i can afford the rise easily without cutting back on anything and I still won’t agree with bj

if anyone should be paying it’s the companies that have raised the prices

This. I am ashamed that we live in a country that has refused to move over from. reliance on fossil fuels, leading to this situation. I'm ashamed that we live in a country without leadership. I am ashamed that we live in a country that will see people starve and freeze rather than hit profits of energy producing companies.

OP, you sound like a brain washed North Korean being told that their country is wonderful and that eating weeds is patriotic.

Fuel and food poverty among Brits isn't exactly helping a lot of Ukraine refugees - host families are throwing them out.🙄

www.theguardian.com/society/2022/may/28/ukrainian-refugees-food-banks-uk-hosts-costs-families-war-charity

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11130697/Ukrainian-families-kicked-hosts-Whitehall-cash-never-came-1-300-homeless-risk.html

This is how far down the rabbit hole that absolute shameless leaders have got us. Total nonsense sold to people as some kind of Britain Is Great jingoistic Bellshill. It could make me weep

Auto correct doesn't want me to swear on the Internet.
I meant BULLSHIT

Ha ha!

They will tax energy production and use that money to lower bills and have a national insulation program.

With a 80 seat majority, the Cons can do as they wish, over 188k people died during the pandemic, earlier and therefore shorter LDs would have saved more lives and saved money.

We had the longest first LD in all of Europe, with at that time, the highest deaths.

What do you think they'd do differently about the energy crisis we're in now?

Labour has proposed a £35b rescue package. You can say it's not enough, and at this rate you'd be right, but it's a fuckload better than Truss' current 'uncosted tax cuts and nothing else' suggestion.

I’m deeply saddened re this post and will pray for OP - It’s all v ‘Animal Farm’ in UK presently 😡 with Boris de P and his land carrack Carrie vying to be the most like Mollie 🙄

£4bn is mostly military aid though, ie cost of equipment and training services. Direct financial aid is much, much more modest, and most of it is loans through the World Bank platform, not cash gifts.
You can't really argue that sending (outdated by NATO standard) equipment over is what is going to plunge British families into poverty.

That sounds great but where do you think that money would come from?

How does paying high bills help Ukrainians on the ground exactly?

In Siberia, generally they have district heating. They will be warmer there than we will be here.

Because not buying from Russia means Russia has less money to pay for a long war.

I know we don't buy directly from Russia but other countries do, so less to go around which means higher bills.

That's the thought behind what Boris said and it's a thought I agree with.

That said, energy companies should also be doing something but you can agree with both. It's doesn't have to be one or the other.

The magic money tree, of course. It exists for the tories too when they decide they want it. And make no mistake: when Truss is finally PM her libertarianism will last about 5 minutes.

The lockdown narrative is a Tory narrative designed to blame the economic crisis on Covid. The lockdowns have exactly nothing to do with the energy crisis. It’s Tory mismanagement that has caused it.

Shorter lockdowns would not have saved lives. The reason we had the longest first lockdown and the highest deaths is not because the lock down was long!!!

The higher death rate was due to two reasons:

• the chronically underfunded NHS being overwhelmed. We went into the pandemic with the fewest number of hospital beds, ICU beds, doctors, nurses and ventilators per person in the G-7.
• In addition, the caring staff in nursing homes became super spreaders due to not strict enough covid testing and lockdown measures. As a result covid spread through the nursing homes and killed the elderly like wildfire.

A shorter lockdown would have resulted in more deaths, not fewer!

Have you forgotten there are Ukranians living in the Uk now?
What about their heat?

Can see some more Brits wanting to let go of the Ukranians they have taken in.

£35bn is a lot by any standard but where is it coming from?

I see you havent replied to a similar post upthread.

Perhaps the Uk Ukranians are not anywhere near as important to the op.

As I understood it, sanctions were supposedly to punish the wrongdoers, to put pressure on them…

seems to me like the sanctions are punishing us, russia doesn’t give a shit, makes no difference to them! All we have done is given ourselves crippling energy prices…

YAY, solidarity!

Take that Russia 😏

We should be proud that millions of people will be pushed into poverty??

Really?? That's something to be proud of??

The reality is people will die due to not be able to afford electricity/gas. All because the companies won't weather the storm - not even a little and the government don't seem to want to help.

Economic sanctions are a type of warfare on the civilian populace of the nation imho as they cause excess civilian deaths by lack of medical supplies, lack of food, lack of energy(heat & electricity), etc. Women and children are always disproportionately affected by economic sanctions.

The stated objective of economic sanctions is to cause civil unrest and ultimately to push the civilian populace to force a change in government to leaders that may be more reasonable to deal with diplomatically (from the view point of the nations doing the economic sanctions).

Our (the west’s) sanctions against Russia are hurting Russian civilians and similarly, Russias counter sanctions against the west are hurting us.

We were sanctioned by Russia in punishment for both sanctioning them and interfering in the Ukraine War by sending troops, equipment and money to the Ukraine.

A shorter lockdown would have resulted in more deaths, not fewer!

That's very very far from being incontrovertible fact.

You’d think the UK was Siberia the way some mumsnetters seem to view our winters

Stupid comment. Siberia has cheap heating, and it's a completely different sort of cold. There is much lower humidity so low temperatures feel quite different.

Damp maritime chill is very different to continental cold.

You only have to look at the statistics pre vaccination to see that it is undoubtedly fact.