We Must Endure High Bills. Proud

[MissHavershamJoinsTinder]

AIBU to be proud of Boris Johnstone-in this matter-when said, while visiting Ukraine on their Independence Day, that we must endure high bills as remember that Ukraine are paying in blood.

I was worried about the soaring cost of bills-power/food but this made me stop and pause.

Aibu to think that we should all write down what he said and put it on the fridge to remind ourselves that it will be worth it. We're doing it for Ukraine and it is worse for them.

hashtag. Proud to Pay for Ukraine

It’s hurting Russia the same way it’s hurting us.

We could not get involved but NATO will take a view on Putin stopping there or not. Their informed view that it’s a risk worth avoiding by taking this approach.

No children

high income

Correct op?

Windfall tax would be a large element.

And could live at home.

Those who live with parents, sometimes pay little or no rent to them.

Rich man easily able to pay much higher energy bills and rising food, etc costs tells UK people he's still paid to serve to 'suck it up'.

Other countries have done something to help the many people who might struggle massively, having to choose between eating and freezing this winter.

He's not telling the energy companies to 'suck it up' and reduce their massive profits, OP - now, why didn't he do that?

No it’s what would have happened, no question. Thinking that we could have saved lives by having shorter lockdowns is, I’m sorry, absolutely ridiculous. I was shocked to see Tory politicians peddling this and did not think the public could be so gullible as to believe this, but I suppose some people will believe literally anything.

When you have a pandemic, the more mixing of the population you allow, the higher the infection rates and therefore the higher the deaths from the disease.
It’s basic medical fact. A shorter lockdown would have increased infection rates in the population and therefore increased deaths from Covid. And given the underfunded limited capacity of the NHS to treat people with Covid, we would have seen an exponential rise in Covid deaths as even more people would have died at home while waiting for an ambulance or died on a Covid ward as they weren’t high enough priority for an ICU bed and ventilator.

It would have been similar to what India experienced. Desperate families trying to buy oxygen tanks to use at home as the hospitals were all full, turning people away. We’d have been watching relatives slowly gasp their way to death at home or in a taxi outside a hospital.

It’ll be interesting to find out her situation.

My guess is she has children and a partner who works full time, while she is a SAHM or works part-time …and possibly her children are a bit older.

The fuel companies make over a million in profits DAILY.

You, I, all of us are doing sweet nothing for Ukraine by suffering for fuel!

Not would I.

But congratulations to you and your pride. Aren't you awesome.

No, people should not be proud that people in this country will die because they can't afford to keep themselves warm while the energy companies rake in obscene profits. Making fat cats richer does not help Ukraine.

It's terrifying interesting how there just isn't a government at the moment. Chancellor Zahawi (remember him?) said today 'We've got to more. I've been looking at options."

So you don't mind people dying unnecessary deaths due to cold, or in house fires as a result of rocketing energy costs, but you object to people dying of Covid.

Care to explain why some people's lives are worth saving and others aren't?

A million in profits daily is 2p (being charitable) per head of the UK population. Ie 60p per month. Would it be a lot of help towards the bills?

I'm going for 60s, wealthy partner, SAHM but now children grown up so looks after the home, giving plenty of time to exonomise by making her own wine and jam and a blanket to 'snuggle' in when the thermostat goes down a notch.
Looks back nostalgically at the time when she 'struggled' when young. Had to have her mothers old sofa because they couldn't afford new like they seem to have to have these days. Orange crates for side tables and bare lino in the spare room while hubby took six extra jobs so they could save up. It was character forming and they were grateful.

Ukrainian children can go jump if it meant my children ever seriously suffering. Thankfully I don’t envisage them “seriously suffering”, more like bloody chilly or a bit sweaty as I’m forcing them to layer up at home!

No, I'm not proud. I'm absoluteky disgusted by his comment.

I am not disgusted, and am happy, that we are supporting Ukraine, and sending more money to them.
But his comment was absolutely disgusting.
"Rich man makes vile comment about people poorer than him having to suck it up, while he receives medal."

DH and I both work full-time, own our own house, no children (but trying, athough I'm worried about having a child, and affording one right now). Our earnings place us 'above average', and I am freaking out about the increases (and the fixed rate on our mortgage runs out in June - still beyond 6 months, so we can't lock in a new deal now, and fixing before June will cost us £11,650 - next time, we are going for a mortgage with a more flexible early exit fee).

We are lucky. There are millions in a much worse situation to us, and yet my anxiety is going through th roof. Truss has said she'll lower taxes - to what, income tax to 19%. That will reduce my tax bill by around £10-15 a month - not going to make a dent in my energy bill (yet will cost the treasury billions a year).

Johnson has said that it's not his decision, and up to the new PM to decide what to do, yet he can give more money to Ukraine this week? I don't object to the money being snt to Ukraine, but it just shows that Johnson is once again, picking and choosing what he does to help. "This makes me look good, and gets me a nice shiny medal, so I'll do it. This sounds complicated, so I'll leave that one for someone else."

His whole attitude is vile, but neither Truss nor Sunak will be any better.

we're not experiencing price rises because Russia has invaded Urkraine, we're experiencing them because the oil and gas companies are taking huge huge profits

The biggest mistake was made by Merkel in allowing German energy supply to be so concentrated on Russia, which emboldened Putin to invade, thinking the EU is so economically fragile that any threat to Germany industrial energy supply would trump Ukraine's sovereign rights. You want to blame anyone, blame her (although I think it's pointless to think in those terms of blame).

The handling of Covid is also part of the problem but there was so much complaining about locking down too late etc. and it seems like a much less obvious error.
Windfall tax is the only way to go at this point. And frankly, planning for a very cold winter.

@MissHavershamJoinsTinder
Your naivety and ignorance of what is about to hit this country over the next few months is nothing less than staggering.

How anyone cannot see BJ and his government for the utter charlatans they are after everything that has gone on in his reign is seriously worrying for the next GE.

You come across as entitled and plain stupid. Read the room but I fear this is beyond your capabilities.

You need to read a little more about Russia, Saudi, Iran, UAE and Opec if you think there is no link between our response to Ukraine and as to why the oil and gas companies can make such huge profits just now.

I thought this was a sarcastic post by the OP at first, but am shocked to find that they really think like this!

Yes, OP, we should all be so grateful and proud that we are already struggling to feed ourselves and our children and are having to to decide which basic commodities to forgo in favour of another, and now face the bleak prospect of having to make non-existent funds stretch even further.

Windfall tax, lower inflation = lower debt interest (as Sunak didn't take out interest rate insurance against this)
More money in the economy = less businesses going bust = more tax take.

Plus Govt has had a large windfall itself on fuel duty and VAT on energy.

A better Q would be "what happens if we do nothing at all?"

For the hard of thinking at the back of the room:

I am proud that, as a country, we are prepared to endure hardship, in order to help Ukraine win a war against Russia.
I am also proud that we are sending weapons to help her.
I am proud that we can see images-like the ones shown on the BBC website today-that show Russia burning gas in order to 'punish' us and say we don't care.
I am proud that we are not demanding that we stop helping Ukraine in order to save ourselves hardship.

We are helping Ukraine and it will cost. That's a fact.

It is possible to disagree by saying:
we shouldn't be helping her, when it will be hard for us
we shouldn't be proud of the fact we're helping because it smacks of self-congratulation when Ukraine are paying in blood-even though Ukraine have given a medal to our PM for saying we will endure hardship for as long as they endure bloodshed.
it's good that we are helping and prepared to personally pay but oil companies should be paying extra too

Responses I expect from the hard of thinking:

1. You're probably a multi-millionaire (because no-one but a rich person could agree with putting up with hardship to help Ukraine.)
2. You are a troll (cheap insult from the dense)
3. You are proud that people will die here (just plain stupid and deliberately mis-understanding or maybe genuinely misunderstanding, who knows!)
4. Fucks and Blinds (from the professional splutterers and a good measure of them from others who, sadly, only know how to show disagreement in that way.)
5. It is nothing to do with Ukraine (from those who don't read-or understand-the news)

For the hard of thinking at the back of the room: [blah blah blah]

Honestly, as trolling attempts go I can't fault your effort. Lots of posts, and not short ones either!

Thats a ridiculous theory.

Russia after 1991 was considered a partner, one we went into space with, one that would be fine to buy up large parts of London, fund our political system, buy Chelsea FC!

If Germany hadn't had NS1, where would it have got its energy from? and what would that have meant for global energy prices? and if Germany/EU had been taking all the gas from Norway, where would we have got ours from?

We promised to guarantee Ukraine's security, Russia invaded the Crimea, we did nothing... that is what made Putin think he could take the rest of the country and in recent history, had we put a 40k strong NATO force in Ukraine last year, as many in the Tory party wanted too, Putin probably wouldn't have invaded.

@MissHavershamJoinsTinder

You can be pleased with the UK's response to Ukraine but still be horrified at the price cap hikes and the lack of action in dealing with them.

If we nationalised energy production, so that the private companies also paid their share, then i would agree with your sentiment.