We Must Endure High Bills. Proud

[MissHavershamJoinsTinder]

AIBU to be proud of Boris Johnstone-in this matter-when said, while visiting Ukraine on their Independence Day, that we must endure high bills as remember that Ukraine are paying in blood.

I was worried about the soaring cost of bills-power/food but this made me stop and pause.

Aibu to think that we should all write down what he said and put it on the fridge to remind ourselves that it will be worth it. We're doing it for Ukraine and it is worse for them.

hashtag. Proud to Pay for Ukraine

Bingo! There we have a tick for one of the gormless responses I expected.

Inflation started to soar pre the Ukraine war.

www.cnbc.com/amp/2022/02/16/uk-inflation-rate-climbs-to-5point5percent-remains-at-30-year-high.html

commonslibrary.parliament.uk/economic-update-ukraine-crisis-adds-to-inflationary-pressures/

Your going to need another shovel for that hole you're digging.

You've got your response, the vast majority disagree with you for various sound reasons. You are either being deliberately obtuse in not understanding them or just wanting an arguement.

Name calling and pretending to be affronted. Exactly the sleight of hand a troll would use. Proud of you, kiddo. 😘

They are cold enough for people to freeze to death in. A permafrost isn't required for mortality.

Without heating homes will not only be cold, they will become damp. Vulnerable people - the elderly, children, people with many disability will become very ill - many of them long term.

Homes will deteriorate - the fabric of the buildings will be damaged - which will lead to further problems.

People will literally be sitting in the dark if they can't pay the bills: no telly, no radio, can't read, do a jigsaw, play board games, fill a hot water bottle. Kids won't be able to do homework - but that doesn't matter because many schools are seriously considering closing for at least some of the winter months to save on energy bills. Those children whose parents still have to go out to work will be left to God and good neighbours much of the time - how many will have accidents, perhaps lighting candles for light/warmth? How many will be lured into the homes of predators with the promise of a hot meal and a TV programme? How many will simply suffer, and this vile govt doesn't give a bugger?

What are your "various sound reasons" for disagreeing @Thedogscollar

Do you think we should stop helping Ukraine because it means hardship?

He's been on holiday for the last 3 years

I did think it sarcasm initially but the thread expressed a different way may have got a different response

People may not have agreed with these points but it may not have been so full on

Fair enough, @MarshaBradyo The point is the same if expressed more fully

I suspect you have enough money to suck up the higher prices. If this is the case you're a massive dick.

Could also get the Fraud Squad in to look to the missing PPE and Track and Trace billions.

OP,

A few people have called you a troll but many of us have taken you seriously and given you reasoned replies. So I don’t disagree with point (2) of your latest reply. I also don’t love people trying to guess your personal circs, although you show such a lack of empathy that I understand the temptation.

But (3), (4) and (5) completely fail to engage with the reasoned arguments people have made with your original post. They are both over egged and off point. Can you offer us a higher quality response?

@MissHavershamJoinsTinder

Who is Boris Johnstone?

I'm not saying there is no link between rising prices and the situation in Ukraine, that situation is undoubtedly a factor. However, oil and gas companies are taking huge profits, resulting in ridiculous costs here. The French have managed to cap their fuel price increase to 4%, yet continue to support Ukraine.

Is this one of those bot threads testing public opinion?

Or are you just one of those virtue signalling Waitrose women?

My point 3 was a direct response to someone who actually declared that I would be proud that people died. Of course, that poster does seem a little hysterical but plenty have been in the same vein without the direct accusation. In fact, @Emotionalsupportviper -on this very page is an example of this.

My point 4 was addressed to those who have littered their replies with foul language. Quite often, there has been no point to make except name hurling.

My point 5 was to those who have declared that rising prices are simply down to the government and nothing to do with the war. Yes, that is bizarre but that is what they think. Up thread...someone even referred to it as a conspiracy to kill poor people and nothing to do withe the war.

These are not @poetryandwine reasoned arguments.

In fact, I predicted the responses there would be to my fuller post and, as sure as hell's a mousetrap, 2 of them have instantly appeared- accusations of being a troll and that I must be super rich.

It really is impossible to argue with density on that level, although I have appreciated the points about France's cap.

In fact, I predicted the responses there would be to my fuller post and, as sure as hell's a mousetrap, 2 of them have instantly appeared- accusations of being a troll and that I must be super rich.

You've had 10 pages of people varyingly saying your suggestion we be proud of the situation and use it galvanise us through a miserable winter is absolute horseshit.

If you made this thread to sincerely guage opinon, you've had your answer and would concede it's a minority (of one) view.

But you didn't, so you haven't. 😃

Are you Ms Melinda Simmons? British ambassador to the Ukraine?

Okay, I have been focusing on the better responses. The trash talk is wrong and silly.

How do you respond to the fact that we have the most poorly regulated energy sector in Europe, and energy company after energy company is taking massive, record profits? These facts are matters of public record.

Many responders including me believe that these points have a lot to do with why our crisis is so awful.

You. Do. Not. Have. Dependent. Children.

that is relevant op. Very relevant

When ISN'T he on holiday?

I doubt very much people who are struggling because of the hardship will feel a sense of pride when they look at their children who are cold and hungry.
They will feel fear and despair as they are unable to provide for them.
Watching your family family suffer and feeling helpless will put a huge strain on any parents mental health and drive them into the darkest place imaginable!
The fact that idiot even said such a thing shows how totally disconnected from ordinary people he is. Im sure hes very proud considering he won't have to worry if his children will have full stomachs or are shaking from cold!

Recent photos like this wont help

www.newsweek.com/fact-check-do-photos-busy-ukraine-beaches-prove-theres-no-warzone-1716164

I don't want to pay for Ukraine.

I'd rather Russia has it and we have a better life.

The French have managed to cap their fuel price increase to 4%, yet continue to support Ukraine.

Clearly not capped for everyone:

A French cement manufacturer was livid, and he was not the only one. "In 2021, our energy advisor recommended that we buy electricity at 80 euros per megawatt-hour for 2022. I didn't do it, thinking the price was too high. I was wrong. Today the spot price is 19 times higher than the regulated sum of 42 euros we would pay for traditional nuclear-based electricity. Now, at 800 euros per megawatt-hour, I am losing money,"

www.lemonde.fr/en/economy/article/2022/07/19/energy-crisis-french-businesses-brace-themselves-for-the-worst_5990714_19.html

Soaring energy prices have seen France's smaller communes forced to close swimming pools and meeting spaces and turn off street lamps as they struggle to pay the bills.

www.thelocal.fr/20220404/rural-french-communes-forced-to-cut-services-due-to-rising-energy-bills/