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Snog · 26/08/2022 05:56

I have been asked to cancel approved leave at short notice (NHS).
I thought that whilst this is poor practice the employer is legally entitled to do this and that you must go in if they have cancelled the leave.

Endlesslypatient82 · 26/08/2022 06:33

RosiePosie27 · 25/08/2022 20:16

@Endlesslypatient82 you are being absolutely awful and before I go I just want you to know that. I have dealt with many rude patients in my career but honestly you really take the biscuit. I said one thing in response to the barrage of unwarranted abuse and you think it’s all a joke. You must live a very sad life to want to keep writing horrible things. I’m just glad I do not know you in person.

Not one. Not one of my posts withdrawn. You are the poster girl for hyperbole

Endlesslypatient82 · 26/08/2022 06:34

CallmeAngelina · 25/08/2022 17:54

Rein what in?

@latetothefisting "But all this is missing the point that it is NOT OPs job to try and bully the other colleague into working"
Where do you get "bullying" from?

I thought it was an expression you loved? @CallmeAngelina

Endlesslypatient82 · 26/08/2022 06:36

CallmeAngelina · 25/08/2022 20:15

Well, this is a discussion forum. Where people post, you know, their opinions.

Exactly!!

ilovesooty · 26/08/2022 08:37

Snog · 26/08/2022 05:56

I have been asked to cancel approved leave at short notice (NHS).
I thought that whilst this is poor practice the employer is legally entitled to do this and that you must go in if they have cancelled the leave.

You can only have your leave cancelled within certain time limits I believe.

The OP should have stood her ground not said she'd see what she could do, and should not even have mentioned it to her colleague. She might not have asked her to cancel her leave but talking to her about it might have been interpreted as putting her under pressure.

I don't think making those points counts as a "barrage of abuse" either - there would have been many more deletions on the thread if she'd been treated as she claimed.

Notanotherwindow · 26/08/2022 08:55

Having children is relevant though from a practical standpoint. It means that holidays are not easily rescheduled due to school holidays.

The other lady not having any isn't relevant but I can see why OP mentioned her own kids.

Tippexy · 26/08/2022 13:37

Notanotherwindow · 26/08/2022 08:55

Having children is relevant though from a practical standpoint. It means that holidays are not easily rescheduled due to school holidays.

The other lady not having any isn't relevant but I can see why OP mentioned her own kids.

Nope.

Tessabelle74 · 26/08/2022 17:58

Your manager needs to sort cover, not your problem. YANBU

CactusBlossom · 26/08/2022 18:01

Your leave was approved, so was your jobsharer's leave request. It's up to management to find someone else. Their problem, not yours.

nannykatherine · 26/08/2022 19:18

RosiePosie27 · 25/08/2022 10:11

DH and I are going away (a couple hours away from our home) with our children and some of his family. We are away Friday - Monday at this location and likely home then on Monday afternoon / Tuesday if we don’t stay at MILs house on the way home.

My issue is that I booked these days off months ago (back in Feb / March) and it was approved by a team lead who is no longer in the department. A lady I jobshare with also asked to have one day that we both work together off (Tuesday, day after bank holiday Monday). This was approved by aforementioned team lead.

So, last Friday my manager says as I’m leaving work “there is no one in from your team on that Tuesday - can you come in?”. I said I was away but would see what I could do. I spoke with the lady I jobshare with (and who booked the day off after I did) and she won’t change her plans. She said she wasn’t doing anything during her leave (fair enough) but won’t come in (she has no DC and I have 3 just for reference).

Now I know that we both booked leave and had it approved - do you think I should make an effort to come in on the Tuesday even though it was agreed first that I could be off? Or should I just suck it up and come back early to work even though it will change our plans for our holiday?

Nothing against the lady I jobshare with but she knows I am away and refused to come in on this one day (again, fair enough) but I hate that I had to be the one who offers just to keep the management calm.

AIBU not to come in on the Tuesday, or should I be AINBU to not come in?

So
Because you have 3 kids you think you come first !!!
I’m rooting for the childless lady sitting on her garden drinking Pimms with no kids reading a book tbh

Boxofsockss · 26/08/2022 19:19

YANBU. Personally wouldn’t bother. It’s your works fault for allowing both leaves so it’s a lesson for them to deal with.

billy1966 · 26/08/2022 19:21

nannykatherine · 26/08/2022 19:18

So
Because you have 3 kids you think you come first !!!
I’m rooting for the childless lady sitting on her garden drinking Pimms with no kids reading a book tbh

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If you would do her the courtesy of reading her posts, you would read that she put her leave in FIRST, so yes, she does come first on that basis alone.🙄

cookie4640 · 26/08/2022 19:40

Not your problem. Don’t over think it. Go on holiday, enjoy your break, they will manage without you and other woman.

sassyclassyandsmartassy · 26/08/2022 19:52

As a owner of my own business. Answers no. If I approve holiday I don’t ask staff to come on, simple!

Dahliasandtea · 26/08/2022 20:19

Write her an email (so it’s in writing), copy the lady you job share with in and say something like: ‘further to our conversation on ‘date’ unfortunately I am unable to come in on Tuesday ‘date’. I requested this annual leave in ‘month’ and it was approved by ‘previous manager’ on ‘date’, email attached. I have spoken to ‘Job share lady’ and she is also unable to come in on that date. Her annual leave was also approved by ‘x’.
kind regards
rosieposie27

no offers, no apologies, no explanations, just facts and putting responsibility right back into managerial hands. They will survive. It’s one day FFS. unless you are the only two doctors in the hospital of course in which case….. maybe one of you should rethink this…. But seriously, All you need to do is put an out of office on your email with your managers number/email on it and a message saying please contact manager or I will deal with your email on Wednesday ‘date’.

Missingpop · 26/08/2022 20:24

Your leave was approved tough luck on whoever the other manager was but it’s their issue to sort out not yours; enjoy your time off switch your phone off too until Wednesday morning if family need to contact you tell them to call Dh’s phone

Grrrrdarling · 26/08/2022 20:35

RosiePosie27 · 25/08/2022 10:11

DH and I are going away (a couple hours away from our home) with our children and some of his family. We are away Friday - Monday at this location and likely home then on Monday afternoon / Tuesday if we don’t stay at MILs house on the way home.

My issue is that I booked these days off months ago (back in Feb / March) and it was approved by a team lead who is no longer in the department. A lady I jobshare with also asked to have one day that we both work together off (Tuesday, day after bank holiday Monday). This was approved by aforementioned team lead.

So, last Friday my manager says as I’m leaving work “there is no one in from your team on that Tuesday - can you come in?”. I said I was away but would see what I could do. I spoke with the lady I jobshare with (and who booked the day off after I did) and she won’t change her plans. She said she wasn’t doing anything during her leave (fair enough) but won’t come in (she has no DC and I have 3 just for reference).

Now I know that we both booked leave and had it approved - do you think I should make an effort to come in on the Tuesday even though it was agreed first that I could be off? Or should I just suck it up and come back early to work even though it will change our plans for our holiday?

Nothing against the lady I jobshare with but she knows I am away and refused to come in on this one day (again, fair enough) but I hate that I had to be the one who offers just to keep the management calm.

AIBU not to come in on the Tuesday, or should I be AINBU to not come in?

The saying… not my monkeys not my circus comes to mind here.
If the management have not covered the shift that you have both been given off that is their problem not yours.

I would feel guilty too, I am a people pleaser type & will bend over backwards to help anyone, but you are away from the area; not just sat at home & free to just work whenever.

Just drop into conversation that your holidays were booked before your collegues & that if you weren’t away on a FAMILY HOLIDAY with your partner & CHILDREN you would happily come in but you can’t.

Your colleague seems a bit of a dick but whether she is doing something or has family or not she also has had her time off booked & agreed to so she doesn’t have to go in either.

Check your contract to make sure they can’t force you to come in. NHS are notorious for clauses like this being in contracts catching people out because they are the service they are.

Grrrrdarling · 26/08/2022 20:38

Dahliasandtea · 26/08/2022 20:19

Write her an email (so it’s in writing), copy the lady you job share with in and say something like: ‘further to our conversation on ‘date’ unfortunately I am unable to come in on Tuesday ‘date’. I requested this annual leave in ‘month’ and it was approved by ‘previous manager’ on ‘date’, email attached. I have spoken to ‘Job share lady’ and she is also unable to come in on that date. Her annual leave was also approved by ‘x’.
kind regards
rosieposie27

no offers, no apologies, no explanations, just facts and putting responsibility right back into managerial hands. They will survive. It’s one day FFS. unless you are the only two doctors in the hospital of course in which case….. maybe one of you should rethink this…. But seriously, All you need to do is put an out of office on your email with your managers number/email on it and a message saying please contact manager or I will deal with your email on Wednesday ‘date’.

Perfectly put. I hate it when managerial staff mess up & try to push the responsibility onto staff who have done the right thing by booking time off well in advance. Yes things happen but that is my the staff’s fault. Also OP’s colleague is a being a bit of a dick but they too went through the proper channels for their day off & so are also more than entitled to it. Who knows what their situation is & why they want that day off but they have been given it & it should also be honoured.

Jojoe29 · 26/08/2022 21:14

Why are you even debating it? Just fuck off on holiday.. stop thinking they give a fuck., they don’t. Neither should you

Snog · 26/08/2022 21:53

Legally the employer can cancel leave but needs to give as many days notice as the period of leave booked plus one day. So for leave of 7 days the employer may cancel this with 8 days notice.

I have no idea if they would compensate the employee if for example they had booked a non refundable holiday.

It seems very unfair to me.

SpeakingMyThoughts · 26/08/2022 22:05

Just because you work in a hospital doesn’t give them the power to ask you to come in during annual leave.
I hope you’re a union member. We ladies fought to have equality. We worked for many years being bullied and underplayed. The unions backed our cause of equality. If you’re not a union member then why not consider joining. That’s where your strength lies.

ASLEF may be of help.

cherish123 · 26/08/2022 22:29

Not your problem or your jobshare partner's. I am sure someone at work could cover.

differential · 26/08/2022 23:30

Your colleague seems a bit of a dick

Excuse me? What the fuck gave you that idea!?

Blueink · 26/08/2022 23:33

YANBU not to come in, but neither is your colleague whose leave was also approved. It doesn’t matter than she isn’t going away and doesn’t have children. I voted YANBU (but YABU to judge her choices).

vanilli78 · 26/08/2022 23:33

No way would I be going in when I’ve booked leave and I’m away with family. YANBU.