This country is going down the pan isn't it?

[Sunflowerkeep]

Mcdonalds Nottingham was raided by a gang of 50 kids, yes kids just young kids. It was upsetting to watch that. Kids being stabbed, inflation that's going to hit many hard. A corrupt government..any good points? I wish I could leave

Werent there May Day pritest rallies in France? Weren't the yellow vests out in France over the summer? And the Corsican separatists are on the rise?
Mind you at least they didn't burn down the PMs House like they did in Sri Lanka.

They're not called out on bad behaviour at School either, or not sufficiently enough. My friend, a teacher, has had her hands tied for the last 20 years with not being able to discipline and set boundaries for her pupils. She can't. They 'know their rights' or the parents come up to the School and complain (or even threaten her) because little Johnny has been 'offended' or 'upset' over some perceived slight. Some of those kids are now in the workplace and don't know how to behave, go off sick for the slightest reason, don't want to put extra effort in to get on and achieve promotion, don't respect anyone senior with far more experience who they could learn from and don't have any common sense. And it's not just 1 or 2 of them. It's most of them. It's bloody shocking. This is my experience and those of my friends.
Indeed, we reap what we sow...

Would you rather have had parents who treated you like an animal but Got Stuff Done that had no benefit to you?

Or parents that weren’t as good at doing “complicated things” but treated you like a human being and tried their best to get you what you needed?

That's organised protest though

I was wondering if other countries have groups like the McD one. There's also been several incidents in London this year.

hasn’t benefitted anyone at all except the rich people keeping their assets safe.

Yep, I read somewhere the EU were going to close the tax-haven loopholes, that's what Brexit was about. The Leave voters were conned.

Idiots for voting to leave the biggest, nearest Free Trade Agreement. The EU.

Very sad.

Yes, you can still be eligible for a job in EU but they put your CV on the bottom of the pile cos it's too much hassle to apply for the permits, when they have equally qualified candidates from inside the EU who have freedom of movement.

I live here and work in HRM.

The issue it is not the government's job to raise children and set boundaries. That is on the parents. There are millions of people who manage that absolutely fine.

Then there are those that don't, and yes, they are a problem sometimes. But their lives are shit. They think robbing McDonalds is interesting, which tells you just how little they have in life. The Tory party aren't bothered because this section of society doesn't vote, may claim benefits or have no assets, so who cares? You are asking the Tories to spend money on people and social harmony. They think that is a waste of time, money and resources.

Thats not the metaphor I was going for. It’s not about your workload.

What, you think kids robbing a fast food joint is a sign of social unrest? 🤔 An unofficial protest about the price of thickshakes? 🙄

It is not an official protest. It is a sign of asserting their street credibility through social unrest.

And Labour are way ahead in the polls. So the arguments about Labour are a bit daft.

Sorry, I'm tired and used the wrong term. Of course I don't see it as protest.

what is the short code for yobs doing shit like this? Thuggery? I am wondering if other countries are seeing it.

Thats not the metaphor I was going for. It’s not about your workload.

No, but it's about how those people affect my life. I don't want people in charge who just try their best. Goofy the Dog was very loveable, slightly irritating and tried his best too but I don't think I'd like him charge either. Nor would I want him as a parent. I'd like my parents to be capable, productive and able to provide.

The kids wanted to. Why shouldn't they? They were only following the PM and government's example. They have learnt that you don't have to follow the law if you don't want to.🤷‍♀️

Yep, I used to work in youth work and adult education and i could see a sharp change in the services being shut down and limited in 2010…sure start centres closed, youth centres closed etc. I wouldn’t say it’s Brexit as such, but more 12 years of Tory rule as well as both Tories and Labour bailing out the bankers during the credit crunch in 2008 led to rising discontent.

It’s not a coincidence the riots happened a year after Conservatives were in power. Don’t you remember how they were cracking down on ‘thugs and thieves’ at the same time many were abusing expenses? You can’t be a party of law and order and a party that disregards the rules.

I wouldn’t be surprised if more riots are on the way.

I think you'd have to leave the planet. And Elon hasn't cracked that yet.

It's a shitshow, but the human race has been through many of those - except climate change - that's the really worrying one.

Would you rather have had parents who treated you like an animal but Got Stuff Done that had no benefit to you?

Or parents that weren’t as good at doing “complicated things” but treated you like a human being and tried their best to get you what you needed?

They'd both be a bit shite, so neither.

But people who aren't good at complicated things can't be in charge of big things, however lovely they might be - their kids yes, but not governments and companies.

Seriously you need to get over Brexit and move on.

Not happening, bro.

LaFemmeNicola

How dare you label council estate kids as ‘feral’?

Are you so naive to not realise that trouble makers come from ALL areas?
For what it’s worth, I’ve been a single mum bringing my kids up on a council estate, as have many other people I know.

So I guess people like you would label me as the kind of mum whose ‘dragged my kids up’ and that they’re probably good for nothings as they’ve come from a council estate, and been raised by a single parent.
For what it’s worth, my kids have been raised to know right from wrong, they have manners and respect for others and both have gone to Uni, have good jobs and have never broken the law.

This also applies to so many others living on council estates, The majority of us raise kids properly, and they are not ‘feral’ as you so disgustingly label them.

Also, one of my ‘council estate feral raised’ children is now a Police Officer. He puts himself at risk to try and protect people like you.

Oh, and he often gets called out to the ‘gated communities’ in affluent areas to deal with all sorts of criminals, including kids who use knives and terrorise others. So back off with your (obvious to me) assumptions that council estate kids are low lives, and stop being so judgemental as you’ve no idea.

Well yes but we are a tory country so what can we expect?
The only positives about the government is their stance on trans issues.

So true. Migration from climate change will make it worse.

I didn't use the word racist, I said BNPish, because your immigration stance is illogical, ill-informed and not connected to the real needs of the country.

If I cared about Labour getting in I’d want them to look at other factors for losing four elections - things like choosing the wrong leader, not connecting with electorate on policy, not communicating well enough as these things are within their ability.

They are polling well enough for it to be possible they won’t lose the fifth GE anyway

I agree about the leader, that was a poor, poor decision although partly brought about by his refusal to go and the original manipulation of the Tory voters who signed up to vote for the Labour leader, knowing he was unelectable. Which is pretty disgusting but not surprising.

But they are also fighting against the vast majority of the press who support the Tory party because they are owned by, and back, big businesses. PR is a massive part of political voting these days, so if you own the press, then you have a huge advantage. This government should be completely eviscerated by the press. They've been a disaster in countless ways. The fact that they aren't being is a function of media bias.

Also the BBC is consistently blackmailed into being unbalanced in favour of the Tory party with the threat of losing their charter being placed over their heads.

The cynicism of this government and the machine that supports them knows no bounds.

It is in no way a straight choice between policies. Which of course you know all too well.

Unfortunately, Brexit and the anti-vaxx movement shows how easy it is for people to be manipulated by the media or SM to believe that something is in their interests when it patently won't be.

This was how I felt about the London riots. Youth services were cut, kids living in a shit hole that the government thinks they should shut up about because it's 'given' to them...what respect have they been shown? No one gave a shit about their community so neither did they, and they wrecked it