This country is going down the pan isn't it?

[Sunflowerkeep]

Mcdonalds Nottingham was raided by a gang of 50 kids, yes kids just young kids. It was upsetting to watch that. Kids being stabbed, inflation that's going to hit many hard. A corrupt government..any good points? I wish I could leave

It feels like a dark spot. Just got to keep buggering on.

It's been 12 years since we had a Labour government. That kind of whataboutery is increasingly irrelevant. The argument against the opposition having a go as opposed to this shower is practically non existent.

No one is blaming the government for shit parenting.

Are you suggesting that if someone burgles my house I should just tell their mummy - you wouldn't want the Police to inevstigate and prosecute?

Do you apply the same to gun crime - you want that dealt with by parents too?

I want crime tackled properly, couldn't give a fuck about the parents.

YANBU. It’s been going down the pan for a while now COVID just sped things along and the economic and geopolitical fallout of it too. I live rurally and the fallout of Brexit continues to impact, climate change too. Austerity and the gap in the have’s and have not’s widens but with some of the have’s now realising that their wealth was built on migrant labour and it’s benefits to the local economy. Farmers are suffering with crop yields dwindling from the heat, lack of rain and their lack of land management over the years. Crime on the up, public services dwindling, no NHS dental care and a police service on its knees. Meanwhile our incumbent MP continues with his weekly newspaper column and focus on the woke. The infrastructure continues to crumble after years of lack of investment and those in charge are conspicuous by the lack of absence again.

They should face age-appropriate consequences, rather than nothing. Youth justice is a vital part of protecting society.

You seem very keen for criminal behaviour to be ignored.

I wouldn't worry about no consequences because the police are doing a serious investigation. Not just a common or garden one, but a serious one. What a telling off those mischievous teenagers will get, eh!

The government is deliberately cutting funds to all sorts of programmes and services that help to prevent these problems.

I don't think anyone sane wants a return to Dickens' Britain where it was a free-for-all with no protection for ordinary citizens.

Personally I want the Police to be there for me if I am burgled, or worse.

Absolutely this. It makes me want to tear my hair out when this government has stripped communities of vital resourcing in a failed attempt at reducing the deficit and yet time and time again they get let off the hook. The teflon Tories have done a brilliant job of constantly persuading the public that it's always the fault of everyone but them. I feel like they must laugh at us - can't really blame them.

Yes but these are young teenagers so their parents should know what their kids are up to and actually parent them they are not adults .

I don’t want it happening in the first place.

Oh, well I am sure if you just tell their parents they 'should' do this that and the other all our crime problems will be solved

What we bloody should have is law enforcement services to protect people like me from this behaviour. Your way is just you moaning while shit things carry on.

Storming Maccas sounds like a SM related thing, teens don’t need to storm for a Big Mac and fries in todays U.K.

I don’t know what they’ll get but it should be stamped out as staff don’t need that aggro

Are you six years old? I want a pony, I want a barbie doll, I want no crime ever.

Just read an article that suggests that my work trip to Spain in September could be fucked up because there are planned strikes by Spanish airports staff between September and December…I guess that’s because of Brexit too….

Yup, the week before the summer holidays, the town I work in (very rough area) banned all under 18s from every McDonalds in the area after a certain time.

There's always someone who posts this ridiculous 'if you don't like it why don't you leave' response on every thread that is critical of the UK, as if just upping and leaving is a realistic option for the vast majority people living here. But conversely then, if you don't leave then you obviously lose any moral right to complain about anything.

And not that it matters, but maybe OP doesn't think there is anywhere better. She didn't say it was worse here than anywhere else did she? It being more or less shit in France say, or in Australia doesn't actually affect how shit it currently is here does it? Or how it only seems to be getting worse.

It is certainly varying degrees of shit all over the world though, can't argue with that. Even if people could actually leave, there is nowhere that's going to escape what's coming

Thank you! Some good news at last.

It is over pay and working conditions. Whole air industry is struggling post-COVID.

It is not the case there are no problems elsewhere, some the same as us, some country-specific. The UK issue is that Brexit is an additional problem exacerbating everything else at a time we could do with our economy functioning well, not going even further backwards.

I don't know why people persist in denying that Brexit has seriously fucked us. Is it stupidity, Tory bots or just wilful delusion?

@LaFemmeNicola But what you are asking for when you say 'I want it not to happen' is just wishful thinking - it is never going to happen.

The government should protect the law abiding majority.

But Brexit has,nt caused knife crime or kids storming McDonald's has it ,or the senseless killing of the young child in Liverpool has it ?
I doubt the perpetrators of these crimes give a shit about Brexit tbh .

It’s not the cause of all ills though

War and pandemic are huge and impacting globally

On here you’d get the impression Brexit is top proportionally, I don’t think so I’d say other two are higher

It’s not something I wanted but people seem to get fixated on the domestic rather than global. Globally the issues are massive. If the war stopped we’d see a big release from some pressures

Blame it on slack lazy parenting. Why else would kids raid macdonalds? Because kids are no longer given boundaries. They’re not called out on bad behaviour at home so this reflects when they’re out of the home. You see it on mumsnet all the time where parents make excuses for their kids bad behaviour. So we reap what we sow….

@carefullycourageous I’m fully aware of the reasons for the strike…I work for a multi-national company and the same issues are raised across Europe and beyond; inflation, fuel prices, staffing shortages…Brexit is merely a blip when compared to the carnage that has been caused by Covid and the Ukraine conflict.