To think size 18 is plus size and not 'hardly plus size'

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The poster, with a very large following, is saying a size 18 isn't really plus size by much, and that 'most people (in the UK), are above a Size 16?

Really? I don't know that many people above a size 16. I really don't. I know lots and lots of size 12/14 and thought that was about average? It's usually the first sizes to sell out

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No you can be skinny and a healthy weight just as you can be a bit plump, maybe a size 14 to 16, and still be a healthy weight. Anorexia is a mental health condition that most skinny people do not suffer from.

Yes, average is a range. Someone being skinny or padded can still very well be in the healthy average range.

And no pp, actually many people don't need to try to be skinny. I have a model body type without having to do anything, if anything I have to make sure I eat extra. Do not diet, never have.

You can't tell someone's health just because they deviate slightly from what 'average' is to you, and that goes for sizes 8-10 and 14-16

I’m a 14, occasionally 16, 5ft10. I would class 16 as the high end of normal/average I am still overweight, working on being a solid 14 and a 12 would just been a dream that I’m not sure with my menopausal body I would ever get too.

There is an obesity epidemic in this country and the fact is if you are overweight you have a higher risk of heart disease, diabetes and stroke. So to live an optimal healthy life you should not be overweight. That is factual.

I was a 33/22/33 and a s10 in 1975. Now I would be a 6. In Toast a 4. People in an 18 now would have been a s22. That is v large in comparison to how slim most were 50 years ago. Clothes sizing is irrelevant.

I've heard it said Kate Middleton is too thin. Actually 50 years ago most women were around that size.

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Here are some facts to destroy your opinion and solidify my observations. 3/4 of UK adults are overweight.
Allow for fluctuations and viola.
The empirical observation with a sample set whilst traveling allowed me to make my assessments. Brits are well known for being overweight and poor in appearance when compared with their European cousins.
This last month has borne this out for me at least.

I think an 8 or 10 is slim, a 12 is average, a 14 is on the large side for someone who is the average 5’4” or 5’5” and size 16 is plus size. A modern size 14 at Next has a 31” waist and that, to me, is pretty big for a woman but not so big I’d call it plus size.

Given that models are usually so slim, a plus size model is going to start at something silly like a size 12-14!

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Well, firstly, you aren't going to destroy my opinions with one post. They are borne of education and experience and one report is just added information into the mix. But I'm glad you did some research, and thank you for the link. That might sound patronising, I don't intend to be. I could argue in a couple of areas, but we would just go round in circles. There are a lot of posters on mumsnet that frustrate me because they make absolute statements with nothing to back it up but I shouldn't have been so short with you earlier so I apologise for that. It is nice seeing your post become more moderate and factual though, that cheered me up. Have a great evening!

You must have moved in different circles from me then. I was a child then and my photos from that period show that most women of KMs age, my teachers, family, neighbours, look very settled into middle age, with the attendant extra pounds.
People were smaller framed then, men and women, shorter, smaller hands and feet, so were no doubt lighter overall, but women still carried excess fat, particularly older women. Obviously there are more OW people now, and OW at a younger age. But no way were most women anywhere near as slim as KM relative to height.

Whatever the size 50 yrs ago to be overweight now causes debilitating health issues and that's a very good reason to not be.

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I've heard it said Kate Middleton is too thin. Actually 50 years ago most women were around that size.

They really weren’t! I had similar measurements to you in 1975 except for broader hips as that’s my skeleton and I was definitely the skinniest amongst all my friends. And older women were definitely larger on average. The only thing you really didn’t see in those days was extremely obese people in their 20s.

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Here are some facts to destroy your opinion and solidify my observations. 3/4 of UK adults are overweight.

Is 64% 3/4? Okaaay!

Of course. But holding up an example of an unusually tall slightly built and slim woman as the norm 50 years ago isn't helpful (assuming helpful is what you were aiming for) as very few women could comfortably achieve and maintain KMs height weight ratio, now, or then, nor do they need to to avoid weight related health issues. Weight loss should never be about setting up other women as aspirational, or inviting comparison against them. It's an individual thing, personal to each woman. Most of us already know the medical measures for healthy weight and if we're so minded, can use those as our guide. The size and weight of other women should be irrelevant.

I was 11 in 1975. There were several obese children in my junior school.

Yes in my class of 30 there was one.

I was 6 in 1975 and I can only think of two kids in the entire primary school who were overweight.

They're still very overweight now at age 53.

Fifty years ago I was 20. I can assure you that women did not in general have the same build as the duchess of Cambridge.
Most younger women were slim but older women varied in size and a majority were either average or overweight and anyone over 5' 5" was considered tall. Perhaps there were fewer extremely overweight people but there were plenty of overweight middle aged women.
BTW some of the women in my family who were say 12st and 5'3" or 14st and 5'7" lived well into their 90s and only had health problems in their last few years.
They did, however walk a lot (no car) and ate good plain food with plenty of veg.

Good God, I will be glad when this ghastly thread is full, so people don't have the opportunity to blather anymore vile bigoted remarks like this. Shame on you, you're a disgrace. If someone has the temerity to start a thread 2, then I shall hide it immediately.

BMI is such a load of bullshit imo. I mean for me to be a healthy BMI, I have to severely restrict my food intake and eat once a day. The only time I achieved a healthy BMI was when I was in my late teens/early twenties and skipping meals all the time.

Kashmirsilver did you mean to write "ghastly overweight" or did you mean vastly overweight? Freudian slip revealing your attitude?

I'm struggling to see how this is true. Do you have a health condition?

No @heshehahahehe I'm perfectly healthy. Smallest size I've ever been is an eight...largest a 16. I was a size 8 for a very brief period when I was late teens/early twenties. Even then a curvy 8 rather than a skinny one. I massively restricted my food. Would not eat all day and just have a small meal at the end of the day...would also have to exercise a lot.

I think a lot of people don't realise how little food very slim women eat. Not all slim women but lots.

I don't think size 8 is the only point you could have had healthy BMI. That's why BMI gives such big ranges.

The only time I achieved a healthy BMI was when I was in my late teens/early twenties and skipping meals all the time.

Same. But I think my eating disorder messed with my metabolism. Any pics of me from when I was slik at a size 6 or at most an 8 I was eating one meal a day.

I’m an 18 and while I’m definitely overweight I am tall, have a large frame and I’m very fit. I don’t get out of breath easily and I’m strong. I don’t think there’s one size that’s “right”. It all depends on you as a person.

I’m 5’8 and wear size 7.5 shoes. My shoulders and hips are broad but I have a 10” difference between my waist and hips and my doctor said that’s a better indicator of health outcomes.