Are we being taken for a fool.?

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Have you watched this video by Neil Oliver

AIBU to start believing he actually has a valid point. I am not normally part of the tin foil hat brigade but I most definitely have been starting to question what's been going on recently

I'd be interested to hear other people views on this subject.

Thanks

Jeeezus, OP.

Talk about a big old invote to go down the feckin rabbit hole!!

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at the risk of reinforcing protean conspiracies and I'm not saying there aren't powerful corporations and economic interests but how have those powerful corporations fared when nations have imposed their will. Was Alibaba by some measures one of the world's most powerful corporations but how did Jack Ma fare? He wasn't instructing Xi, just fell foul of what looked like a decision to rein in corporates. Does Aramco order MBS? How many Russian corporates have instructed Putin to change course in Ukraine if it's bad for business?

So you do see the censorship? So you just contradicted yourself?

Yep. Nothing else needs to be said really.

On 2nd thought, this post was pretty on the money too. Obviously I haven't read much of the thread.

Let me get this right: you're [rightly, imho] worried about the global population size, but you have multiple kids?

Ok, whatever.

I don't think side effects were hushed up, but unless one reads medical/scientific journals there wasn't much info on them. The briefs from Johnson and science advisors mostly just said get vaccinated. I know people could look up the info themselves, but most are quite busy so I can see many wouldn't. I didn't know about the myocarditis thing. I am aware people can have an immediate allergic reaction but I didn't know the vaccines could have side effects later on. Where were scientists talking to the public about this, as I missed it?

Considering how much people like Alex Jones make, it doesn't surprise me that there will be people in the UK wanting to emulate that. Even though he admitted that Covid isn't a hoax really, I can understand why he'd keep going with that lie because if he's cancelled he can always retire on those millions.

While I agree that MSM can be unreliable and have an agenda as owners are often billionaires who are motivated to make even more money, I think that there's a lot of charlatans selling this to people while also appearing on MSM when they need an alternative view to try and look balanced. What I'm saying that there's a lot of people peddling the "you're being conned" line while conning people out of their close relationships and money at the same time. Ie you can't trust either side really.

Where were the plandemic people when we had other outbreaks like SARS, Ebola etc? Our planet clearly has some sort of pandemic every 5 years ish but I guess you can't make money from people who live in countries that know this.

it’s not a designed conspiracy though, it’s a rabble of people out to serve their own interests. And some who genuinely aren’t btw - but it’s always been like this. Social media and the internet just makes it more visible

Spot on once again, RJnomore

Along with the usual tribalism, I've often wondered if much of this is about the human wish to see patterns in things, and attributing meanings to something which just aren't there - but overall that doesn't worry me as much as the drive to shut down dissenting opinion does

@ClaudineClare the elite are the 2755 billionaires in this world

Ever since I was old enough to understand, I've never believed that we have control or free will and I truly believe that more goes on than we'll ever know. I don't read into it though because it will never change. I just try and get through day to day as best I can.

"questioning what's been happening and what the reasons could be" - and that's the issue, in a nutshell. Looking for reasons. It's a very human thing, to look for reasons. It's also a very human thing to credit the wrong thing as being the 'reasons''. That's the very foundation of religions.

We like there to be reasons because it's 'safer' than things happening for no reason at all. The concept of chaos is quite scary.

We don't like the real reason to be something totally outside human control, because that's as scary as chaos, because nothing can humanly be done to bring it back under 'control'.

We reach for a reason that is attributable to human action, and we like these reasons to be simple to understand. Even if the problem is complex, we want a simple solution - a sacking, a new law, a prosecution, a payrise - a conspiracy.

And consider those pictures made up of dots, where if you're up close all you see is dots, and if you stand well back you can see a picture. It is still just dots, but our brain fills in the blanks and makes the picture. We see the many dots of shit happening right now and our brain fills in the blanks to make a conspiracy.

Truth is, there's a lot of chaos and complexity out there. A perfect storm of it, in fact. And that is what we are facing; a perfect storm of chickens coming home to roost, and greedy opportunists taking advantage of chaos, and unintended consequences. And that is very, very scary. So scary that some people would genuinely prefer to look at the picture and see conspiracy because then it's 'someone's' fault, and those 'someones' can be made to back off and put it right again. A simple solution to a complex problem.

It's also worth bearing in mind the nature of conspiracy. It needs to involve groups of people working together. How many people would this conspiracy require? Far to many for it to be plausible. There's even been research on this! (journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0147905). A more readable article can be found at https://www.pbs.org/newshour/science/math-formula-charts-the-lifespan-of-hoaxes

I watched him on you tube and thought he made some interesting points about the environmental impact of wind farms, but the problem is that it’s all wrapped up with creepy conspiratorial stuff and he makes no real positive suggestions or proposed solutions to the fuel problems we face etc. I so enjoyed his TV programmes about ancient history, but he should perhaps reflect that even in ancient times people thought the world was going to pot. Here we still are.

At uni (Russell group) I did a couple of economic modules where the lecturer said in future we wouldn’t buy a fridge we would rent so manufacturers could profit from the longevity of an appliance rather than the built in obsolescence we have now. I thin this is the model we will move towards, it’s already started with media content such as films, tv and music.

There is something going on with farming (the industry I’m now in). There are acres of land not in production so we really don’t need rewilding. There’s a very anti meat agenda but not an anti food miles agenda (that one quietly slipped off the radar). meat alternatives are very highly processed and factory produced, meat is produced on a mainly small scale by individual farmers much harder to control both the production and the supply chain/retail price. Abattoirs are few and far between
We could be almost self sufficient in the uk for food if we changed what we ate and used more technology so eat more lamb as it’s extensive production and we have a lot of land that only good for sheep, eat more root crops, use technologies for more intensive salad crops etc. In 1942 they had the biggest harvest that at that point the UK had ever seen. We could produce much more food yet the push is for less production.

Energy, there could be grants for small scale wind and hydro, much more solar on rooves yet it’s all about more fossil fuels.

NO is at the far end of the scale but people who say it’s just a coincidence of unrelated events are at the other end, realistically it somewhere between the two but it is worth noting there are a lot more millionaires and billionaires since 2008 than before.

Judge a man by his questions rather than by his answers.

Media used to be a physical product as we bought videos/DVDs and cds/LPs/cassettes. It’s only since 2005ish we have not bought the physical copy and our mindset has changed really quick.
Renting clothing is making a come back.
Yes the manufacturer would be responsible for maintenance, upgrades repairs and anything else. It seems a really out there idea but we did used to rent household appliances and even furniture in the past (radio rentals were literally that originally). Leasing and PCPs for cars are much more common place with the owner only responsible for fuel where as 30 years ago it was hire purchase. Car pcps/lease is not cheap yet it’s very popular. As prices rise, fewer options to pay monthly but more to rent monthly and it could just gradually become the norm

Orangesare thank you, it's really interesting to hear from someone in farming. I have zero hope of getting a patriotic government sadly.

Wallaw sorry, I can't make it any clearer than I have. I mean it as I said it. Literally stating the existence of some things will cause accusations. The oddest thing is being called an anti vaxxer when you've had two covid vaccines and every other vax in existence!

Some people can't separate one concept from another and many intelligent people have completely lost it. Not a criticism - I've gone even stranger than I used to be, lol.

My other tin hat thought is the government is allowing certain increases as it makes more money for the treasury. My understanding is we are generating a lot of wealth currently off the back of fuel particularly.

No not guilty @bringbackveronicamars

Just someone who has started questioning things about a year or so ago.

When all this great reset stuff started surfacing a lot more, it's been playing on my mind but I haven't really spoken about it to anyone then I came across that video the other day and it's similar thoughts to I was thinking

Not that I have a clue what we the minions would be able to do to change the path of the future .

Manufacturers want to rent rather than sell because whenever a customer keeps a product beyond its expected lifespan, they feel they are losing money and the data surrounding your use is more valuable than the selling price - their fridge, their terms.
Additionally, devices hooked up to the internet are popular with governments who could arrange for your freezer temperature setting to increase from 11am to 2pm to avoid a brown-out.

Of course we are being taken for fools.

Everything written in this article is real, we "commoners" just refuse to believe it.

This thread about Bill Gates seems apt for this thread.

twitter.com/GeorgeMonbiot/status/1561344147805667328?s=20&t=b7OapcunqTVZ6KTgl0pkJw

@WhereYouLeftIt

""questioning what's been happening and what the reasons could be" - and that's the issue, in a nutshell. Looking for reasons. It's a very human thing, to look for reasons. It's also a very human thing to credit the wrong thing as being the 'reasons''. "

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You've written an excellent post.

I have a slight variation on your thoughts in that I believe much more in cock up theory than conspiracy theory.

Take for example Price necessary Diana's death in a car crash. I personally believe in the cock up theory that she died because her driver was drunk driving over the limit, driving at high speed in a tunnel and she wasn't wearing a seat belt.

Now for many the concept that someone like Princess Diana could die in something so ordinary as a car crash doesn't work. She was incredibly high profile so therefore she must have died in a very "unique" way. And this is where conspiracy theories find fertile ground.

Whereas the reality is that high profile people are just as likely (if not more) to die in car accidents as ordinary people.

The reasoning of the energy crisis is that demand fell sharply during Covid and then bounced back more sharply than supply could cope with. Plus the major factor of Russia invading Ukraine interrupting oil and gas supplies.

I didn’t get the substance of what he said.

I just love his ( no idea who he is) accent so closed my eyes and just listened. 😌

I tend to dismiss anything said on GB news though

He suggests that the US government is currently carrying out multiple 9/11 style attacks with light aircraft on farms to interrupt the food supply! He’s a crank. An articulate crank with a thin patina of reasonableness, but a crank nonetheless.