Are we being taken for a fool.?

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Have you watched this video by Neil Oliver

AIBU to start believing he actually has a valid point. I am not normally part of the tin foil hat brigade but I most definitely have been starting to question what's been going on recently

I'd be interested to hear other people views on this subject.

Thanks

How incredibly rude! Just because someone does not agree with you, you believe that you have the right to be offensive?

If he’s overarching message is we are being played by puppet masters then I think he’s right. But hasn’t this always been the case? The peasants being lorded over by the aristocracy? We are only as free as those in power allow us to be. Surely everyone understands this? This is why there’s such a push back against the far right and far left. They are both increasing their authoritarian powers and our liberties are slipping away.

Improving healthcare decreases birthrate in developing countries - families are less likely to have many children when infant mortality decreases.

This led to the now infamous claim that Bill Gates said vaccines could reduce the population by a certain percentage, much lauded by anti-vaxxers. In reality it was a clip from a presentation where he was explaining measures including better sanitiation, access to healthcare, vaccinations could decrease population growth for the reason above.

That transcript is awfully long for something that says very little. If he wants people to buy into his conspiracy theories, first he needs a good editor – I scrolled and scrolled and gave up because he wasn’t actually saying anything. Give me a good succinct “the Queen is a lizard” or “jet fuel can’t melt steel beams” sound bite any day instead of this tl;dr stuff.

It will be via “euthanasia” dressed up to be in the best interests of anyone above a certain age. Quality of life etc. Older people will be guilt tripped into it. It will be pushed through certain media outlets.

Exactly

interestingly, during the 19th century cholera outbreaks, some people thought the aristocracy were reducing the population so we'd be easier to govern.

I have to admit I've wondered this as well.

But then I get berated on here for having three children despite being in part of the UK with a even lower fertility rate than UK as a whole only 1.49.

@foliageeverywhere I think everyone is aware that better healthcare & education reduces birth rates. That doesn't solve the issue that most of the Wests population has grown by people living longer. And obviously in terms of consumption you can't compare a family in the West to one in a developing country.

I don't have all the answers all I know is I'm am questioning what's been happening and what the reasons could be

This is a wise thing to do, especially if we make sure to read widely from a variety of sources rather than only ones which "fit" our own particular set of prejudices (which is evidenced on SM all too often)

FWIW I'm not especially keen on Neil Oliver either, but he does invite some worthwhile questions. Unfortunately, to some, questioning isn't welcome; they prefer others to adhere to a set narrative of their own choice, and for me that's what's most frightening of all

But nothing you have said here is new. Everything you have set out has always happened, for hundreds of years.

Crises always make money for someone. Businesses and wealthy people have always sought to influence government policy.

This is why I don't understand the paranoia and the insistence that some great new(always vaguely described) global conspiracy is afoot. The world has always been like this. If you have not realised, you have not been paying attention.

It will be via “euthanasia” dressed up to be in the best interests of anyone above a certain age. Quality of life etc. Older people will be guilt tripped into it. It will be pushed through certain media outlets.

I guess it also preferable to have that control vs what the state services are like now.

But then I get berated on here for having three children despite being in part of the UK with a even lower fertility rate than UK as a whole only 1.49.

A lot don't get it though, they think everyone is still having 5 dc to get a council house 🙄.

It's very sad to hear of anyone who experiences these very rare events but there was no attempt to hide these data. But no attempt on MSM such as the BBC to highlight them. Indeed they had a recent documentary which attempted to ridicule the concerns of people who didn't want to be vaccinated.

Thank you, you have explained how I feel in a far more articulate way! I have always looked at both sides of the argument and formed my own opinions. There is never a ‘one size fits all’

He's doing the good old con man trick. Taking all the things we might agree with because the world is bad at the moment to hook you in and then blaming his bete noirs - things like renewable energy and vaccines. It's how normal people get radicalised and fall into the whole q anon thing. Its easier to see if you read the transcript.

I can accept that many didn't know what the WEF did prior to the pandemic but attendance of heads of state has been questioned before. I can remember David Cameron's attendance (as a contributor) being covered on the news.

I think it's quite possible that the pandemic has thrown some people off course but equally there will be others who simply found themselves with more time to take an interest in global politics during lockdowns. I would also suggest, "you will own nothing and you will be happy" is quite attention grabbing so people sat up and took notice and now they'd quite like to know what that means for us proles in practice.

I read the transcript, apart from the anti-vax stuff (Which I don't know enough about yet). I don't really disagree with anything. I wish there was more in it though, because it doesn't feel solid enough. I do not think that I am a conspiracy theorist but the last few years of life have talk me a bit about the nature of modern living that does scare me. Fear is everywhere. It is constant and it is rampant, and the problem is, when people are worried about a headline, when they are threatened by something coming, they act differently. They are both easier to manipulate and they are easier to control (imo)

I do not believe it is one big single conspiracy but I believe when it it becomes "Us and them", that separation makes it easier to do things to "them". You see it throughout history don't you? The difference in treatment through central places like churches influenced a woman's place in society? It doesn't have to something that is discussed and planned by everyone with power to change attitudes. I could watch some programmes and think tattoos equal violence, but when I look at people in my life and realise it means nothing like that. But what if I didn't have those people in my life? then I would continue to believe people with tattoos are more prone to violence. The more I am influenced by what I see in the news/social media/modern culture and the less I am influenced by my peers the bigger the risk in my opinion. And that is what the pandemic achieved wasn't it?

I think it is too much. I am considering changing careers, and getting rid of the internet altogether. I think I am quite a weak person and it seems like too much. What I have read over the last 15 years online has brought me far more worry and concern than the challenges my life actually produced. I am exhausted by it. I can understand people going off grid, I wish I was one of them.

So the general idea is that there's a global conspiracy to keep the "plebs" down, and have the "Global Reset". The bit of that which makes no sense to me is that there are very many different types of government in the world, who have differing and opposing views and are exceptionally unlikely to band together for this Global Reset.

We have democracies, we have absolute monarchies, we have theocracies, we have republics, we have communist countries, we have military dictatorships. For most of these, there can be differing religious beliefs both moderate and fundamentalist, more or less influence by the main religion, and even those where theoretically religion has no influence on government in any way.

So we are being asked to believe that this Global Reset is being equally planned, acting in total harmony, by countries as diverse as China, Russia, the Middle Eastern states, the UK and US, Australia, New Zealand, various African dictatorships. All working together in a common cause - I somehow think not!

Yes, there's always protests at the annual WEF event, for as long as I can remember.

Again @foliageeverywhere you are just selectively choosing part of my post that suits your point of view. And showing that it is not possible these days to have a reasoned debate without resorting to all good / all bad standpoints.

I actually wrote “it is detrimental to the roll out and acceptance IF side effects are hushed up and the view is pushed that the vaccine is only good. Note the word IF - should I have written WHEN side effects are hushed up instead then yes I would have been claiming they had been hushed up. I didn’t claim they had been hushed up, in fact I wrote IF specifically to try and illustrate that taking a polarised position (all good / all bad) is completely counter-productive.

I could have chosen another topic, the vaccine one was just one that came to mind. There are so many others where I think exactly the same dogmatic all good / all bad thinking is applied and it is a real shame that is the way we are going in the west (UK and USA at least, maybe less so in the rest)

It was definitely reported on the BBC.

We are only as free as those in power allow us to be. Surely everyone understands this? This is why there’s such a push back against the far right and far left. They are both increasing their authoritarian powers and our liberties are slipping away

Another very valid point, but sadly I'm not convinced everyone does understand this; too often, some are happy with whatever freedom-limiting measures are proposed providing they fit those personal prejudices I mentioned, and fail to notice the wider consequences

IME these are the ones most likely to resort to rudeness if their particular take on things is questioned; it seems they don't want to consider any other narrative, and those who introduce one must therefore be shut down

I would have thought that as an academic, Oliver would know how to apply Hanlons razor. Seems he's gone the full Icke ....

I would also suggest, "you will own nothing and you will be happy" is quite attention grabbing so people sat up and took notice and now they'd quite like to know what that means for us proles in practice

Well, us proles owning nothing would mean the end of capitalism. I can't see many Western governments buying into that as a way forward.

Conspiracy theorists often have some valid points mixed in with wilder ideas, otherwise they’d never achieve traction. If people are discerning and questioning about what they hear, it’s ok, but these skills seem to be in short supply.