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To let Dd walk off

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Iusedtobedontcall · 13/08/2022 19:50

Dd, 16, has been very challenging, particularly in her teen years. She stopped wanting to attend school in year 10 and when she did go in, she was often sent home and was excluded for being verbally abusive, truanting or being disruptive. She would often use threats to kill herself as a way of manipulating the family to do whatever she wanted and obviously every threat had to be taken seriously. We sought private help for her and she got a diagnosis of autism and support from CAMHS. I’ve tried to employ different parenting strategies- I’ve been stricter, I’ve love bombed her, I’ve tried natural consequences, I’ve tried to get her external support - but she hasn’t engaged. I’ve gone through the EHCP process but we were turned down.

Since leaving school she’s secured an apprenticeship in a field she wants to work in, but after only a few days she’s started saying she won’t go in because it’s too hot, or she’s not slept well.

If I offer her food and it’s not exactly what she wants she calls me ‘a fucking cunt’ or a ‘waste of space.’ She was once excluded from school for bullying another student and her response to being told off and asked to give her phone to us as a consequence was to storm off into the night, message a charity helpline saying she was being abused and was going to kill herself and that she had no bed to sleep in.

We had actually dismantled DD’s bed as a new one was being delivered the next day (after she deliberately broke the previous one). After her helpline messages, the police arrived with Dd and I explained what had happened and showed them our clean and tidy home with a spare room and made up bed upstairs for Dd to sleep in and showed them the email that said the new bed was arriving. The officer said we had a lovely home and nothing at all to worry about.
We had a family support worker visit after DD’s behaviours - running off etc. They said we were already accessing support privately and didn’t need any additional support. She was referred to a Youth support group but refused to attend after two sessions.

Recently her abuse has escalated further. She decided she wanted her boyfriend to live with us and claimed he was homeless. I called his mum and this was all lies. Dd then said she would run off and never come back if I didn’t allow him to live here. I was in the early stages of pregnancy (which she knew about) and she came back with her boyfriend at midnight, screaming and banging the door - demanding I let him stay. She eventually backed down but I had no sleep and found out a week later at a scan that I had miscarried.

She will use anything as a way to manipulate me. I went with her to the GP to get her put on the pill when she got together with her boyfriend and when she’s in a rage she’ll threaten not to take it in order to make me do what she wants. She has a high need for control. I do ask her to take it every day and she does take it continuously with the occasional 4 day break at the end of a pack as she hates having periods.

Today after not going to work because it was too hot, she demanded a specific brand of salt and vinegar pretzels. When I couldn’t find them in the shop she screamed and swore at me, saying I was a horrible mum and she couldn’t talk to me. She then shouted that she’d had an abortion in secret because I was such a bad mum she couldn’t speak to me. I don’t believe this tbh, as she doesn’t leave the house in the day - apart from going to work this past week. I would also absolutely have supported her - I’ve been there with her through everything, even when she’s been abusive towards me I’ve been calm and loving. I have had a medically managed miscarriage two weeks ago and it was horrendous- there’s little chance Dd has been through that and hid it from me. But I’ve just sobbed and sobbed - triggered by my own experience and also devastated in case Dd has been through that.

She does lie all the time. She once lied that our dog was bleeding badly when we were out and then when asked to send a picture of the wound said he was better now. There was nothing wrong with him.

She’s called 999 twice in the past two weeks. Once during an argument with her boyfriend (she admitted he hadn’t done anything and said she just thought it might escalate). I’m open to the fact that it could be more - but in all honesty I think she uses it as a way to control and abuse him. I’ve witnessed her screaming at him in her rages too.

The second time she apparently ‘pocket dialled’ them.

She then stormed out saying she’s not coming back tonight. She’s blocked me after saying I was a waste of space, don’t deserve children and was a fucking cunt. I have cried and cried and my own mental health is suffering. AIBU to ask her dad to have her (we are amicably divorced) for a bit of respite when she does come back?

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jsvacation · 13/08/2022 19:57

Send her to her fathers and stop buying and doing things to appease her. She wants to be an adult and be a little bitch then let her. She can't learn from her mistakes without getting in trouble for them.

Iusedtobedontcall · 13/08/2022 19:57

Sorry didn’t mean to enable voting. I don’t know where she is right now, but she’s 16 and has a boyfriend and a friend locally where she could be staying.

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PrinceOfPegging · 13/08/2022 20:00

YANBU. You don’t have to put up with being her emotional punchbag.

Iusedtobedontcall · 13/08/2022 20:02

I am just anxious because I don’t know where she is - she will be very aware that I worry about her. I’m also aware that she will escalate things if I displease her in some way and I’ve realised that I’m actually frightened of her and what she will do. But that’s no way to live, is it?

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Iusedtobedontcall · 13/08/2022 20:06

I have tried - I just don’t know what to do now. I was so excited for her when she got the apprenticeship.

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CandyLeBonBon · 13/08/2022 20:08

Are actively ttc op? It sounds like a terrible situation for you and I'm sorry for your losses Flowers

Thatiswild · 13/08/2022 20:09

voting is a good thing because you are 100% yanbu! It sounds so hard and I’m so sorry for what you’ve been through lately yourself. At 16 she has to learn the consequences to her own choices, the attention isn’t positive at all and her speaking to you like that is awful, you deserve better, definitely time for the other parent to have a go at living with this and see if a different approach might give her a bit of perspective. I hope things improve, try not to worry about her right now, you have done everything you can for now. I hope you can get some rest.

Iusedtobedontcall · 13/08/2022 20:12

I have been thinking of TTC (the miscarriage was a surprise conception) though I’m not physically recovered yet - but DD’s behaviour has made me wonder if I can cope now. She’s pushed me to my limit and I’ve examined myself to think what I’ve done wrong. I have honestly tried everything.

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Iusedtobedontcall · 13/08/2022 20:13

Her sister is two years younger and super motivated and high achieving. She just messaged ‘love you mum’ because she heard me crying over Dd. I just don’t know where I’ve gone wrong.

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EscapeRoomToTheSun · 13/08/2022 20:14

At 16 leave her to it. Stop pandering to her if she is not nice to you! I was absolutely awful to my mum as a teen, our relationship recovered significantly when I moved out at 16. We're quite close now! Send her to her dad's if that is an option.

UWhatNow · 13/08/2022 20:17

The level of lies and malicious behaviour would make me question her grip on reality. She sounds quite disturbed and distressed. You are clearly suffering on all fronts. I think you both need significant support tbh. Call your GP and go from there.

Iusedtobedontcall · 13/08/2022 20:19

GP will do nothing. She has a psychiatrist, a cognitive behavioural therapist and has had multiple psychological assessments through our private health insurance. She’s refused to engage with therapy and unfortunately no one can help her if she won’t help herself.

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Dillidilly · 13/08/2022 20:19

I wonder if something happened to your DD around year 10 that you don't know about? Or before?
Behaviour doesn't happen in a vacuum, and I wonder if this is a response to an as yet undisclosed ACE (Adverse Childhood Experience)?
I would dig deeper if you can.

Iusedtobedontcall · 13/08/2022 20:20

She has a high need for control, particularly of people which I suspect is PDA related, although she’s only got an autism diagnosis. I have tried and tried to help her - I’ve run out of avenues.

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Iusedtobedontcall · 13/08/2022 20:21

She has had a trauma in Year 10 - a sexual assault. The boy has since been accused by other girls of the same thing after the case was dropped. The case is now ongoing again because of the new evidence.

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eatyourcrustspls · 13/08/2022 20:21

Have you posted about her before, OP? The bed thing feels familiar.

You are a saint. She needs serious help.

Iusedtobedontcall · 13/08/2022 20:22

I’ve tried to support but I just don’t know what to do anymore and I don’t know if my mental health can take it either.

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justthecat · 13/08/2022 20:22

You’ve not gone wrong at all,you’ve gone above and beyond.
she is a manipulator, she’ll know how to survive a night or two not at home.
You not contacting her will do her better than what she expects of a night you trying to reach out

Iusedtobedontcall · 13/08/2022 20:22

I have posted before yes. This has been ongoing. I am just broken.

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CamillaToe · 13/08/2022 20:23

Iusedtobedontcall · 13/08/2022 20:12

I have been thinking of TTC (the miscarriage was a surprise conception) though I’m not physically recovered yet - but DD’s behaviour has made me wonder if I can cope now. She’s pushed me to my limit and I’ve examined myself to think what I’ve done wrong. I have honestly tried everything.

I would suggest hanging fire on TTC for now

eatyourcrustspls · 13/08/2022 20:25

Iusedtobedontcall · 13/08/2022 20:22

I have posted before yes. This has been ongoing. I am just broken.

I thought I had read similar.

I have to be blunt, OP. She sounds like she needs serious help and possible psychiatric help. You've done nothing wrong. How you put up with this level of abuse is crazy. I know she's your daughter (I'm sad here looking at my nearly 2 year old DD willing her to sleep) but you have to put yourself first.

Iusedtobedontcall · 13/08/2022 20:25

You are probably right there sadly - as due to my age I think it won’t happen now.

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Iusedtobedontcall · 13/08/2022 20:25

She has psychiatric help. She won’t engage with it. You can’t help someone who won’t engage.

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CountTessa · 13/08/2022 20:26

Sounds super tough.
Bear in mind she has been diagnosed with autism then maybe trying a different approach (it does sound like you've tried lots). She sounds really angry and I wonder what's behind that: is she scared of things changing, of being different.

I can understand her being upset when her food choices aren't available, but that doesn't excuse her rudeness. I think always trying to keep her happy is never going to work. So try and depersonalise it.. 'asda didn't have the pretzels you like today, why don't you have a look for them tomorrow'. Its OK if things don't always go her way. But if you always jump to make things OK then she'll not learn to cope for herself or learn that manipulation doesn't always get the best results.

Honestly it sounds like you've been stretched and it's OK to ask her dad to step up and help out too.

RandomMess · 13/08/2022 20:27
Flowers

I think you need to consider contacting social services and telling them you can no longer cope and can't provide a home for her. She sounds like my niece (same diagnosis with the PDA) and she moved into residential specialist care.

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