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To let Dd walk off

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Iusedtobedontcall · 13/08/2022 19:50

Dd, 16, has been very challenging, particularly in her teen years. She stopped wanting to attend school in year 10 and when she did go in, she was often sent home and was excluded for being verbally abusive, truanting or being disruptive. She would often use threats to kill herself as a way of manipulating the family to do whatever she wanted and obviously every threat had to be taken seriously. We sought private help for her and she got a diagnosis of autism and support from CAMHS. I’ve tried to employ different parenting strategies- I’ve been stricter, I’ve love bombed her, I’ve tried natural consequences, I’ve tried to get her external support - but she hasn’t engaged. I’ve gone through the EHCP process but we were turned down.

Since leaving school she’s secured an apprenticeship in a field she wants to work in, but after only a few days she’s started saying she won’t go in because it’s too hot, or she’s not slept well.

If I offer her food and it’s not exactly what she wants she calls me ‘a fucking cunt’ or a ‘waste of space.’ She was once excluded from school for bullying another student and her response to being told off and asked to give her phone to us as a consequence was to storm off into the night, message a charity helpline saying she was being abused and was going to kill herself and that she had no bed to sleep in.

We had actually dismantled DD’s bed as a new one was being delivered the next day (after she deliberately broke the previous one). After her helpline messages, the police arrived with Dd and I explained what had happened and showed them our clean and tidy home with a spare room and made up bed upstairs for Dd to sleep in and showed them the email that said the new bed was arriving. The officer said we had a lovely home and nothing at all to worry about.
We had a family support worker visit after DD’s behaviours - running off etc. They said we were already accessing support privately and didn’t need any additional support. She was referred to a Youth support group but refused to attend after two sessions.

Recently her abuse has escalated further. She decided she wanted her boyfriend to live with us and claimed he was homeless. I called his mum and this was all lies. Dd then said she would run off and never come back if I didn’t allow him to live here. I was in the early stages of pregnancy (which she knew about) and she came back with her boyfriend at midnight, screaming and banging the door - demanding I let him stay. She eventually backed down but I had no sleep and found out a week later at a scan that I had miscarried.

She will use anything as a way to manipulate me. I went with her to the GP to get her put on the pill when she got together with her boyfriend and when she’s in a rage she’ll threaten not to take it in order to make me do what she wants. She has a high need for control. I do ask her to take it every day and she does take it continuously with the occasional 4 day break at the end of a pack as she hates having periods.

Today after not going to work because it was too hot, she demanded a specific brand of salt and vinegar pretzels. When I couldn’t find them in the shop she screamed and swore at me, saying I was a horrible mum and she couldn’t talk to me. She then shouted that she’d had an abortion in secret because I was such a bad mum she couldn’t speak to me. I don’t believe this tbh, as she doesn’t leave the house in the day - apart from going to work this past week. I would also absolutely have supported her - I’ve been there with her through everything, even when she’s been abusive towards me I’ve been calm and loving. I have had a medically managed miscarriage two weeks ago and it was horrendous- there’s little chance Dd has been through that and hid it from me. But I’ve just sobbed and sobbed - triggered by my own experience and also devastated in case Dd has been through that.

She does lie all the time. She once lied that our dog was bleeding badly when we were out and then when asked to send a picture of the wound said he was better now. There was nothing wrong with him.

She’s called 999 twice in the past two weeks. Once during an argument with her boyfriend (she admitted he hadn’t done anything and said she just thought it might escalate). I’m open to the fact that it could be more - but in all honesty I think she uses it as a way to control and abuse him. I’ve witnessed her screaming at him in her rages too.

The second time she apparently ‘pocket dialled’ them.

She then stormed out saying she’s not coming back tonight. She’s blocked me after saying I was a waste of space, don’t deserve children and was a fucking cunt. I have cried and cried and my own mental health is suffering. AIBU to ask her dad to have her (we are amicably divorced) for a bit of respite when she does come back?

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Iusedtobedontcall · 13/08/2022 20:28

She is autistic but I do think she has enough awareness not to abuse me. I know her routine has changed because of her new job (which she’s almost certainly going to throw away sadly). I do understand her difficulties. I just think I’ve got to the end of my rope with it. I don’t think I can take more. I’ve taken it for a long time.

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Jingleq · 13/08/2022 20:28

Don’t really have any advice other than to get her dad called and let him have her at the very least until you get over the miscarriage. You sound like an amazing mum please don’t be hard on yourself! I could feel the pain your in just reading your posts. You need to make sure you’re good to be able to able to help anyone else it’s definitely time to tag her dad in!

vroom321 · 13/08/2022 20:31

I'm autistic op. I like calm and quiet. It sounds like there might be something else going on as well though?

Iusedtobedontcall · 13/08/2022 20:32

Thank you for the support. I’ve not eaten tonight with the stress of it. I don’t know how I’ve held down a job. My head hurts.

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Iusedtobedontcall · 13/08/2022 20:34

I’m not sure that Dd fits a usual autistic profile (not that there is such a thing!). She does have sensory issues and social difficulties but she actively seeks out drama and conflict. She needs control above all else and likes everyone to follow her rules.

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Dillidilly · 13/08/2022 20:39

Iusedtobedontcall · 13/08/2022 20:34

I’m not sure that Dd fits a usual autistic profile (not that there is such a thing!). She does have sensory issues and social difficulties but she actively seeks out drama and conflict. She needs control above all else and likes everyone to follow her rules.

I wonder if this might be a trauma response?

Iusedtobedontcall · 13/08/2022 20:41

She’s always had a high need for control but she definitely got worse around Year 10. I’m still not sure how to deal with it when she won’t let anyone help her.

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newtb · 13/08/2022 20:41

Thé manipulation is one of the characteristics of PDA. It might je worth looking at the PDA sociéty website. About 10 years ago, DD met all the criteria for it.

Iusedtobedontcall · 13/08/2022 20:42

I do think she fits a PDA profile.

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Tiggy321 · 13/08/2022 20:43

Wow that sounds horrendous OP. I just posted a thread about my 16 yr old daughters behaviour. It's not as extreme as your daughter's (and mine had no autism diagnosis) but it hurts so much. Just want you to know I empathise fully. No answers for you sadly but I would strongly advise her dad takes her for a few weeks to give you a bit of a break. I wish you strength. Teenagers are just horrible! If I knew then what they would be like to parent, I wouldn't have had kids!!

winterchills · 13/08/2022 20:44

Send her to her dads and let him try and sort her out. I feel so awful for you as it sounds like you've genuinely tried everything with her.

Gardenfish · 13/08/2022 20:49

No advice, you sound like a great Mum.

Send her to her Dads for bit.

Iusedtobedontcall · 13/08/2022 20:57

Hopefully she’ll agree to go to her dad’s if she eventually comes back. I should try to ignore her behaviour rather than give the negative behaviour attention. It’s just what she said about the abortion really triggered me and I ended up very upset. Which probably didn’t help her.

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Whowhatwherewhenwhynow · 13/08/2022 21:10

I’m so sorry op this sounds so so hard for you all. I feel for you and your daughter as it sound horric for all involved (and I’m sorry your dealing with this alongside the miscarriage).

there does seem to be some indications that she has managed to control you. For example the comment about her demanding pretzels but you being unable to find the ones she wanted…why did you even look for them if she demanded? I know parenting her must be harder than parenting another child because of her specific needs/experiences but I don’t see the situation getting better while she has that level of control.

Op I’d insist she go to her dads not hope she agrees to go. It sounds like you both need space and I can’t imagine anything is going to improve while she is being so abusive and while you feel so drained and emotionally empty. Absolutely insist her father has her stay for a while. I assume your younger child might need a break from the situation too. She has another parent and he needs to step up and do more for a bit.

lots of love. I hope you get some rest and see an improvement soon.

Itsgettinghotinhre · 13/08/2022 21:11

RandomMess · 13/08/2022 20:27

Flowers

I think you need to consider contacting social services and telling them you can no longer cope and can't provide a home for her. She sounds like my niece (same diagnosis with the PDA) and she moved into residential specialist care.

This. You have your hands full OP. Just settle with the kids you already have imagine a newborn living in all this noise.

diddl · 13/08/2022 21:12

It all sounds awful for everyone.

She has been sexually assaulted, that was dropped & now all being brought up again?

That would be a lot for anyone to cope with let alone a child.

kateandme · 13/08/2022 21:23

I think people are missing the sexual assault.it’s enough for this to be a trauma response.and now it’s back with Cade being re opening

Iusedtobedontcall · 13/08/2022 21:25

She had to give video evidence, but it was dropped as it was her word against his. That upset her as she felt she wasn’t believed.

Then a few weeks ago, two officers arrived unannounced to let us know that other witnesses had since come forward with similar evidence and they wanted to know if Dd would be willing to let her evidence be used in the case they are building for the CPS. I’m not sure I would want Dd to be cross examined in court given her disability and issues, but who knows what will happen.

I do love her obviously, I’m just so tired.

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OnTheVergeOfABreakdown · 13/08/2022 21:26

She sounds extremely mentally unwell, OP. I don't know what to suggest though as if she won't see any professionals for help then you're stuck. I don't blame you for being at the end of your rope.

I would probably send her to live with her dad. Let him have a turn at dealing with her

Dillidilly · 13/08/2022 21:30

kateandme · 13/08/2022 21:23

I think people are missing the sexual assault.it’s enough for this to be a trauma response.and now it’s back with Cade being re opening

Completely agree.

Iusedtobedontcall · 13/08/2022 21:30

I feel like all the professionals I’ve seen have been at a loss and despite this - the panel for EHCP thought college would support her needs and turned her down for any support. Though I’m not sure any amount of support would be effective.

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BatshitBanshee · 13/08/2022 21:31

Is there a connection between an escalation in behaviour and the case being picked up again? DD sounds like she's in a trauma cycle, and a need to control and the rage is not uncommon after a SA. The autism diagnosis would complicate how these things are expressed though... And you're the easiest target. Is inpatient therapy an option? YANBU to send her to her dad's though.

Speaking from experience though OP, I had undiagnosed ADHD as a teen. Hormonal contraception made me a basket case and made my moods and emotional regulation so much worse. Are there any other options?

WTF475878237NC · 13/08/2022 21:32

You haven't done anything wrong. You have a teenager (hard enough) who has autism. This is one of the most challenging times of your life. You're in the storm right now. It's ok to need a break!

CockSpadget · 13/08/2022 21:34

OP, neither of you can continue in this manner, as suggested above, social services need to be involved here, your DD is still a minor, and is currently at risk. She really needs to be in a supervised care situation right now, for both your sakes.

Iusedtobedontcall · 13/08/2022 21:34

She’s been assessed for ADHD already and they said she didn’t have it. Inpatient therapy wasn’t an option, even privately as apparently the beds were all in use by the NHS. This was during the pandemic and might not be the case now though. She won’t meet NHS thresholds- CAMHS have discharged her.

I am not sure with contraceptive options - I want something more reliable for her and periods cause her distress, so the pill helps with that.

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