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To let Dd walk off

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Iusedtobedontcall · 13/08/2022 19:50

Dd, 16, has been very challenging, particularly in her teen years. She stopped wanting to attend school in year 10 and when she did go in, she was often sent home and was excluded for being verbally abusive, truanting or being disruptive. She would often use threats to kill herself as a way of manipulating the family to do whatever she wanted and obviously every threat had to be taken seriously. We sought private help for her and she got a diagnosis of autism and support from CAMHS. I’ve tried to employ different parenting strategies- I’ve been stricter, I’ve love bombed her, I’ve tried natural consequences, I’ve tried to get her external support - but she hasn’t engaged. I’ve gone through the EHCP process but we were turned down.

Since leaving school she’s secured an apprenticeship in a field she wants to work in, but after only a few days she’s started saying she won’t go in because it’s too hot, or she’s not slept well.

If I offer her food and it’s not exactly what she wants she calls me ‘a fucking cunt’ or a ‘waste of space.’ She was once excluded from school for bullying another student and her response to being told off and asked to give her phone to us as a consequence was to storm off into the night, message a charity helpline saying she was being abused and was going to kill herself and that she had no bed to sleep in.

We had actually dismantled DD’s bed as a new one was being delivered the next day (after she deliberately broke the previous one). After her helpline messages, the police arrived with Dd and I explained what had happened and showed them our clean and tidy home with a spare room and made up bed upstairs for Dd to sleep in and showed them the email that said the new bed was arriving. The officer said we had a lovely home and nothing at all to worry about.
We had a family support worker visit after DD’s behaviours - running off etc. They said we were already accessing support privately and didn’t need any additional support. She was referred to a Youth support group but refused to attend after two sessions.

Recently her abuse has escalated further. She decided she wanted her boyfriend to live with us and claimed he was homeless. I called his mum and this was all lies. Dd then said she would run off and never come back if I didn’t allow him to live here. I was in the early stages of pregnancy (which she knew about) and she came back with her boyfriend at midnight, screaming and banging the door - demanding I let him stay. She eventually backed down but I had no sleep and found out a week later at a scan that I had miscarried.

She will use anything as a way to manipulate me. I went with her to the GP to get her put on the pill when she got together with her boyfriend and when she’s in a rage she’ll threaten not to take it in order to make me do what she wants. She has a high need for control. I do ask her to take it every day and she does take it continuously with the occasional 4 day break at the end of a pack as she hates having periods.

Today after not going to work because it was too hot, she demanded a specific brand of salt and vinegar pretzels. When I couldn’t find them in the shop she screamed and swore at me, saying I was a horrible mum and she couldn’t talk to me. She then shouted that she’d had an abortion in secret because I was such a bad mum she couldn’t speak to me. I don’t believe this tbh, as she doesn’t leave the house in the day - apart from going to work this past week. I would also absolutely have supported her - I’ve been there with her through everything, even when she’s been abusive towards me I’ve been calm and loving. I have had a medically managed miscarriage two weeks ago and it was horrendous- there’s little chance Dd has been through that and hid it from me. But I’ve just sobbed and sobbed - triggered by my own experience and also devastated in case Dd has been through that.

She does lie all the time. She once lied that our dog was bleeding badly when we were out and then when asked to send a picture of the wound said he was better now. There was nothing wrong with him.

She’s called 999 twice in the past two weeks. Once during an argument with her boyfriend (she admitted he hadn’t done anything and said she just thought it might escalate). I’m open to the fact that it could be more - but in all honesty I think she uses it as a way to control and abuse him. I’ve witnessed her screaming at him in her rages too.

The second time she apparently ‘pocket dialled’ them.

She then stormed out saying she’s not coming back tonight. She’s blocked me after saying I was a waste of space, don’t deserve children and was a fucking cunt. I have cried and cried and my own mental health is suffering. AIBU to ask her dad to have her (we are amicably divorced) for a bit of respite when she does come back?

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LargeLegoHaul · 14/08/2022 10:18

Iusedtobedontcall · 13/08/2022 21:59

But at 16 - when realistically she’ll only get it till 18 and given how long the process can be, I’m wondering if it’s even worth it now.

Do appeal the EHCP rejection. The majority of appeals are upheld. EHCPs can continue until 25, or with the recent case law 26 in some circumstances.

LearnedAxolotl · 14/08/2022 10:21

Her living with you is not working for any of you. You don't deserve to be abused in your own home. She can go stay with her dad for a bit.

Ledkr · 14/08/2022 10:36

Op. I had one like this..my eldest boy. He is in his 30s now and is settled but still a bit odd. Short temper, smokes weed, keeps odd hours etc.
I ended up getting him into the ymca as he had pretty much stolen everything we owned. He was a bit more settled for a short while but then got into drugs and was all over the place. The while.time we kept in contact and took him for dinner etc. The turning point was him.becoming ill with glandular fever so we have him home to look after him and it seemed to help.

I have trained in and teach NVR which is non violent resistance. Its very effective and I think would.massively help your family.

I'm happy to speak to you privately if you wish but if you want a good therapist dm me your area and I will see if you have one locally. I know camhs use this technique but in my opinion they don't train in it to the high level it requires. Mine took years to become fully registered.

Hope that's of some help.

Iusedtobedontcall · 14/08/2022 10:56

Thank you - any support would be great. It sounds awful but I’ve sort of lost the will to do anything because I’ve met with so much abuse over the years. I feel like just stepping back.

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Peashoots · 14/08/2022 11:36

Op, as the parent of a difficult teen (admittedly not nearly on the scale of yours) my heart goes out to you. I can only imagine what you’re going through. My daughter can be quite manipulative too, and I pandered because I was so worried/anxious. I got to the point where enough was enough and just stopped. Acted disinterested and let her crack on. Her behaviour changed for the better when she wasn’t getting the reaction she wanted. It’s ok for you to take a step back-you have gone above and beyond to help her. You have your own mental health and your other daughter to consider.

GurningGolfer · 14/08/2022 11:39

Peashoots · 14/08/2022 11:36

Op, as the parent of a difficult teen (admittedly not nearly on the scale of yours) my heart goes out to you. I can only imagine what you’re going through. My daughter can be quite manipulative too, and I pandered because I was so worried/anxious. I got to the point where enough was enough and just stopped. Acted disinterested and let her crack on. Her behaviour changed for the better when she wasn’t getting the reaction she wanted. It’s ok for you to take a step back-you have gone above and beyond to help her. You have your own mental health and your other daughter to consider.

This. When I said you're being too nice I meant the examples like going to buy her a specific brand of pretzels which they didn't have then taking abuse for it. "Mum I want these pretzels" "sorry its not a shopping day, you're welcome to go yourself and get them" etc. Just keep disengaging. But she does need time with her dad. - get that arranged from today - he can pop over and grab her stuff today and he can contact her to tell her when she's due home today it's to his house not yours.

RandomMess · 14/08/2022 11:54

I think you need to step back. Let her feel the impact of her choices.

Dillidilly · 14/08/2022 12:01

@Iusedtobedontcall one last thing to consider is that for young people with ASD, their emotional age is much younger than their chronological age.

And can I just say to the PPs calling this Neurodiverse 16 year old a bitch, vile, horrible, etc...
No she isn't. Her behaviour may well be disordered, challenging, manipulative, etc, etc.
But she is not.

As I said in a previous post, no behaviour happens in a vacuum. There is a reason for all behaviour, however disordered.

Good luck @Iusedtobedontcall, I know a tiny bit of what you are going through and send all positive thoughts x

Stath · 14/08/2022 12:13

Oh my love.

Ive been through similar with our DD.

Because of the assault trauma (DD also has ASD and complex MH but is compliant in treatment) our CPN helped us self-refer to Early Help.

We were in our knees and thought, as you do, that as DD has a stable loving functional home that Social Services wouldn’t help us.

Early Help supported us as a family (including support and plans for younger siblings as they were affected) and it was really useful.

You really need to look after yourself. I can totally empathise with how utterly heartbreaking and exhausting it is.

Please feel free to PM me if you’d like to chat 💐

Iusedtobedontcall · 14/08/2022 12:21

Thank you. Early help wouldn’t help us at all - they closed the case as they said I was accessing all support already privately. They may do if I contact them again, but I guess I’m so tired that I’ve lost the will really. I know she’s ok - she’s been online this morning according to her sister.

She won’t answer the phone to her dad. Tbh if she is so angry and hates me so much - I’m not sure I have the energy to fight. I’m defeated. And for someone who needs control so much, perhaps she needs to decide to help herself now. I’m not ignoring the trauma and her ASD - I’m just tired.

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Iusedtobedontcall · 14/08/2022 12:37

She’s contacted my mum saying I’ve thrown her out🙄and asking if she can stay there. My mum is away tonight. She has also been in touch with her dad but hasn’t said to him whether she will stay there or not. She would prefer not to stay there I think. At least I know she is safe.

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mjf981 · 14/08/2022 12:44

Oh goodness what a nightmare.

You’ve done more than enough. Id write her a letter. Say you love her but you’re done battling her rude and disrespectful behaviour.. Write down (and make a copy) of what you are going to do to change YOUR life for the better - no more pandering to demands, no more fights (just disengage and walk away when she tries to rile you) etc etc. And stick by it. I truely think disengaging and just getting on with your own life is the way forward. She will try to get your attention and have melt downs, but just ignore. Leave the house for an hour if you have to.

Iusedtobedontcall · 14/08/2022 12:54

She has called me asking if she can come back. I said she hasn’t been kicked out but we were out for lunch and would be back in three hours. I’m not rushing back. There was no apology from her.

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Leafy3 · 14/08/2022 12:55

Oh, op, this sounds horrendous Flowers

I'm afraid I don't have any further advice for you beyond what's been said but to say how deeply i feel for you all.

You definitely need some respite and you're not doing anything wrong in sending her to her dads so you can get it. Even if it becomes a medium to longer term stays.

ignore those who suggest to do so would be to be a bad parent - she has another parent and I think it could well be in her best interests as well.

FlowersFlowers

Iusedtobedontcall · 14/08/2022 15:44

She’s back. I haven’t asked her where she’s been. I’ve drawn up a tenancy agreement with conditions and I’ve said if she doesn’t follow it she can go to her dad’s - which I know she doesn’t want to do. It’s printed off and has been given to her, but I don’t feel like speaking to her at all at the moment.

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Iusedtobedontcall · 14/08/2022 20:52

She’s gone to her dad’s and the whole atmosphere in the house has changed. I feel so much more relaxed.

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LearnedAxolotl · 14/08/2022 21:10

I think a tenancy agreement is a great idea.

Bonheurdupasse · 14/08/2022 21:21

That’s great OP, hope you can have a break of at least a few days.

CactusBlossom · 15/08/2022 00:31

It would be great if your ex could take her in. It sounds awful for you, and awful for her sister. You need to see the GP for you, rather than her. You have done all you can, you certainly don't need this abusive behaviour from her. As @RandomMess suggested, try contacting social services, because from her behaviour you could be at risk. I am sorry to hear you miscarried. You need to prioritise your own wellbeing.

tillytown · 15/08/2022 04:26

That's great. I hope she can get the help and support she needs

Iusedtobedontcall · 15/08/2022 19:19

So she’s lost her apprenticeship. Her dad sent me a message which suggested that she’d told them I had kicked her out! She had used that as an excuse to skip work and she had clearly been lying about swapping shifts etc. She had also taken money from me for train fare that she’s not going to need.

I have told her dad to keep her there and perhaps find a college near him. It’s just the final straw. He can claim the child benefit for her and get her enrolled at a college. I think I’m done. Lying about having an abortion and being kicked out by your mum who has done nothing but support you is the last straw. She argued with me on Saturday because I tried to wake her up for work. Maybe she needs to learn for herself now. I’m done.

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Iusedtobedontcall · 15/08/2022 20:20

I feel really sad about it all - but I’m not sure what choice I had.

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Iusedtobedontcall · 15/08/2022 20:48

Bump

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LadyEloise1 · 15/08/2022 20:59

@Iusedtobedontcall
I have nothing constructive to add but hoping it will all work out for you and your dd.
You did your very best.
Deep down she knows that you had her back so often. That you love her.
That sexual assault has impacted her hugely.
She is lashing out at you because she can.
She really needs a good counsellor to help her get over that assault.

tootiredtospeak · 15/08/2022 21:04

What's the bump for OP it sounds like for now the situation is under control. It's really hard parenting a child with SN mine is nowhere near as bad as your DD but he can be very difficult and frustrating sometimes. I get angry he gets angry and then he goes off and you worry that actually they are vunerable and something could happen to them so they come back and away you go again as your their safe space. They treat you like that as they actually realise its unacceptable to behave like that to the rest of society. When mine does this I let him go he is 21 now and it's very infrequent. I wont accept his crap autistic or not he has to live in a NT world no one is going to change it for him. I wont accept bad language and anger if he displays it he can go and come back when he has calmed down. Nowadays its rarely more than a few hours storming round the woods or a drive in his car. O do worry about him driving angry though. Best of luck your daughter sounds exhausting.

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