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To let Dd walk off

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Iusedtobedontcall · 13/08/2022 19:50

Dd, 16, has been very challenging, particularly in her teen years. She stopped wanting to attend school in year 10 and when she did go in, she was often sent home and was excluded for being verbally abusive, truanting or being disruptive. She would often use threats to kill herself as a way of manipulating the family to do whatever she wanted and obviously every threat had to be taken seriously. We sought private help for her and she got a diagnosis of autism and support from CAMHS. I’ve tried to employ different parenting strategies- I’ve been stricter, I’ve love bombed her, I’ve tried natural consequences, I’ve tried to get her external support - but she hasn’t engaged. I’ve gone through the EHCP process but we were turned down.

Since leaving school she’s secured an apprenticeship in a field she wants to work in, but after only a few days she’s started saying she won’t go in because it’s too hot, or she’s not slept well.

If I offer her food and it’s not exactly what she wants she calls me ‘a fucking cunt’ or a ‘waste of space.’ She was once excluded from school for bullying another student and her response to being told off and asked to give her phone to us as a consequence was to storm off into the night, message a charity helpline saying she was being abused and was going to kill herself and that she had no bed to sleep in.

We had actually dismantled DD’s bed as a new one was being delivered the next day (after she deliberately broke the previous one). After her helpline messages, the police arrived with Dd and I explained what had happened and showed them our clean and tidy home with a spare room and made up bed upstairs for Dd to sleep in and showed them the email that said the new bed was arriving. The officer said we had a lovely home and nothing at all to worry about.
We had a family support worker visit after DD’s behaviours - running off etc. They said we were already accessing support privately and didn’t need any additional support. She was referred to a Youth support group but refused to attend after two sessions.

Recently her abuse has escalated further. She decided she wanted her boyfriend to live with us and claimed he was homeless. I called his mum and this was all lies. Dd then said she would run off and never come back if I didn’t allow him to live here. I was in the early stages of pregnancy (which she knew about) and she came back with her boyfriend at midnight, screaming and banging the door - demanding I let him stay. She eventually backed down but I had no sleep and found out a week later at a scan that I had miscarried.

She will use anything as a way to manipulate me. I went with her to the GP to get her put on the pill when she got together with her boyfriend and when she’s in a rage she’ll threaten not to take it in order to make me do what she wants. She has a high need for control. I do ask her to take it every day and she does take it continuously with the occasional 4 day break at the end of a pack as she hates having periods.

Today after not going to work because it was too hot, she demanded a specific brand of salt and vinegar pretzels. When I couldn’t find them in the shop she screamed and swore at me, saying I was a horrible mum and she couldn’t talk to me. She then shouted that she’d had an abortion in secret because I was such a bad mum she couldn’t speak to me. I don’t believe this tbh, as she doesn’t leave the house in the day - apart from going to work this past week. I would also absolutely have supported her - I’ve been there with her through everything, even when she’s been abusive towards me I’ve been calm and loving. I have had a medically managed miscarriage two weeks ago and it was horrendous- there’s little chance Dd has been through that and hid it from me. But I’ve just sobbed and sobbed - triggered by my own experience and also devastated in case Dd has been through that.

She does lie all the time. She once lied that our dog was bleeding badly when we were out and then when asked to send a picture of the wound said he was better now. There was nothing wrong with him.

She’s called 999 twice in the past two weeks. Once during an argument with her boyfriend (she admitted he hadn’t done anything and said she just thought it might escalate). I’m open to the fact that it could be more - but in all honesty I think she uses it as a way to control and abuse him. I’ve witnessed her screaming at him in her rages too.

The second time she apparently ‘pocket dialled’ them.

She then stormed out saying she’s not coming back tonight. She’s blocked me after saying I was a waste of space, don’t deserve children and was a fucking cunt. I have cried and cried and my own mental health is suffering. AIBU to ask her dad to have her (we are amicably divorced) for a bit of respite when she does come back?

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secular39 · 13/08/2022 22:04

Iusedtobedontcall · 13/08/2022 22:02

We were referred to a psychotherapist with experience of working with young people with social and communication difficulties and she was excellent. Dd decided she didn’t need it and it didn’t help after three or four sessions and refused to go back.

It's going to take more than 3- 4 sessions to see something working, especially for Autistic Children. You may find that it could take a year to see any benefit. Her PDA profile and being a teen, is a barrier for her to access help as to why it's better to get trained specialist who are PDA trained

londonlass71 · 13/08/2022 22:07

Let her walk off. Stop pandering to her. If she doesn't want help there isn't much you can do. Give her the choice - your house your rules, dad's house dads rules or she gets a job and her own place to live. If she is old enough to decide she doesnt want help or school she is old enough take her own plans and support herself.

secular39 · 13/08/2022 22:08

Sign up on here:

There's a webinar on securing EHCPs for older children...something like that:

sossen-sandbox.mxapps.io

GurningGolfer · 13/08/2022 22:09

Sorry what is PDA? Google is coming up with all sorts. I agree with the tough love posters - she is your baby girl I get it but you're being way too nice. None of this behaviour sounds anything related to autism and if she won't help herself you can't fix her yourself. Give yourself a break, off to dad she goes.

Iusedtobedontcall · 13/08/2022 22:11

Pathological demand avoidance. Her behaviour is absolutely related to autism. I’m not being too nice - I’ve actually said I’ve had enough on this thread!

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Iusedtobedontcall · 13/08/2022 22:11

Thank you - I’ll take a look @secular39

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secular39 · 13/08/2022 22:15

Having re read the thread. It wouldn't do her harm if she stays over her dads for a few days, while you gather up your mental and emotional strength. I would say, in all of this, always put yourself and find time to do things for you. This is going to be a long and hard journey. But please, don't ever give up, even if you feel like it, your DD is screaming for help buts it's going about it the wrong way.

Nephthys21 · 13/08/2022 22:15

For any intervention to work, therapy included, you would ideally be involved too. It always frustrates me when kids with ASD are offered therapy with minimal parental involvement or limited consideration about environmental needs - the family environment, the boundaries, the level of support and level of demand at school/work, all of these things need to be right for a young person with ASD to reach a stage where they are able to engage with working on any more complex thoughts and feelings. For any of us, we need our basic needs met for us to feel safe and secure and people with ASD can find it much harder to feel that those needs have been met - even more so if they also have a trauma history that's causing feelings of anxiety and distrust in others. I'm so sorry that it's so hard to get the right support in place for you all.

Iusedtobedontcall · 13/08/2022 22:18

I’m not going to give up - but I do need a break. I have been involved in all of DD’s therapy but she really does not engage well at all. She has no staying power or ability to look towards the future at all. She doesn’t seem able to consider longer term consequences.

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Tangelablue · 13/08/2022 22:30

Have you received support from Rasasc? In my area they support families of sexual assult victims. I think you will have to wait till your daughter is ready to engage with support. In the meantime, assert some boundaries and step back when you need to for your own mental health.

CandyLeBonBon · 13/08/2022 22:49

Iusedtobedontcall · 13/08/2022 20:12

I have been thinking of TTC (the miscarriage was a surprise conception) though I’m not physically recovered yet - but DD’s behaviour has made me wonder if I can cope now. She’s pushed me to my limit and I’ve examined myself to think what I’ve done wrong. I have honestly tried everything.

Yes - I can imagine - I was going to say that adding a baby into the mix might be the last straw op - sorry I didn't want to appear insensitive - so hard for you.

hattie43 · 13/08/2022 22:59

I'm interested in how she can keep a boyfriend with this behaviour or does she save it for you ?

Iusedtobedontcall · 14/08/2022 08:22

Her worst behaviour is left for me but I think she controls her boyfriend too. She didn’t come home last night so I think she’s with a friend.

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Penners99 · 14/08/2022 09:02

Let her go, you have done enough. Time to prioritise yourself and other DD.

Iusedtobedontcall · 14/08/2022 09:25

She was asking me the other night where my positive pregnancy tests were. Had I kept them or thrown them away. And when had I thrown them away. I thought that was odd. I suspect she was planning some manipulation of her boyfriend. She’s highly manipulative but I don’t actually think she’s particularly mentally unstable. She will say and do whatever it takes to control others.

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Hoppinggreen · 14/08/2022 09:28

Sounds horrific and I hope you manage to access some help
I am also very sorry about your miscarriages - I would say though that if you ate deliberately trying to get pg now may not be the best time

Luxa · 14/08/2022 09:35

Would she consider contraceptive injections so there is ongoing protection?

Iusedtobedontcall · 14/08/2022 09:37

She won’t consider the implant or the injection. I did try to encourage the implant.

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Iusedtobedontcall · 14/08/2022 09:38

I’m 42 - realistically if I don’t conceive now, I never will. But yes there’s too much going on at the moment. But when do I say I’ve had enough and let her dad step up for a bit? I think I’m almost there.

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WhiskerPatrol · 14/08/2022 09:40

Iusedtobedontcall · 14/08/2022 09:38

I’m 42 - realistically if I don’t conceive now, I never will. But yes there’s too much going on at the moment. But when do I say I’ve had enough and let her dad step up for a bit? I think I’m almost there.

Definitely let her dad take her on. In fact if she's still out, I'd change the locks and leave her bags outside. She sounds utterly vile.

Sunnyqueen · 14/08/2022 09:47

I know you have said about PDA and her autism diagnosis but this behaviour seems a lot like (or in conjuction with) quite a severe personality disorder. Just because she is aware of what she is doing does not mean she is mentally stable. I'm quite surprised when the police got involved and she was threatening suicide that they didn't 136 her. That's the route she's heading down anyway, if she won't engage in a psychological assessment now she may well end up at the point where she can't have freedom without cooperating with the psychiatrists.
Absolutely send her to her dad's and prioritise long term contraception, the last thing she needs is to get pregnant.

Iusedtobedontcall · 14/08/2022 09:54

I’m not sure it’s that easy to section someone - my experience is that these resources are very stretched. CAMHS were quite happy to discharge her - saying she had a bright future ahead. I’ve had to go privately for any support but then she’s refused to engage.

She’s not a danger to herself (the professionals have all agreed that she’s not suicidal and these threats disappeared once she realised the waiting times in A and E) and she’s not physically violent, just verbally abusive and manipulative.

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Iusedtobedontcall · 14/08/2022 10:06

I can’t make her take long term contraception as she has capacity. I get the pill for her and remind her to take it daily. She takes it continuously without a break which increases efficacy. But there’s nothing more I’m able to do - other than contact her boyfriend if I suspect she’s not reliable.

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Sunnyqueen · 14/08/2022 10:11

I'm not saying now, I'm saying she's possibly going down the route of where she could end up, if she is to keep refusing intervention and keeps involving police and hospitals.

RandomMess · 14/08/2022 10:15

How old is her boyfriend?

TBH I would be speaking to him & his parents and tell them DD is not reliably taking the pill and he needs to use condoms unless he wishes to become a Dad

I really feel for you. I think if she could/would go to her Dads for a while it would be very helpful.

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