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To let Dd walk off

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Iusedtobedontcall · 13/08/2022 19:50

Dd, 16, has been very challenging, particularly in her teen years. She stopped wanting to attend school in year 10 and when she did go in, she was often sent home and was excluded for being verbally abusive, truanting or being disruptive. She would often use threats to kill herself as a way of manipulating the family to do whatever she wanted and obviously every threat had to be taken seriously. We sought private help for her and she got a diagnosis of autism and support from CAMHS. I’ve tried to employ different parenting strategies- I’ve been stricter, I’ve love bombed her, I’ve tried natural consequences, I’ve tried to get her external support - but she hasn’t engaged. I’ve gone through the EHCP process but we were turned down.

Since leaving school she’s secured an apprenticeship in a field she wants to work in, but after only a few days she’s started saying she won’t go in because it’s too hot, or she’s not slept well.

If I offer her food and it’s not exactly what she wants she calls me ‘a fucking cunt’ or a ‘waste of space.’ She was once excluded from school for bullying another student and her response to being told off and asked to give her phone to us as a consequence was to storm off into the night, message a charity helpline saying she was being abused and was going to kill herself and that she had no bed to sleep in.

We had actually dismantled DD’s bed as a new one was being delivered the next day (after she deliberately broke the previous one). After her helpline messages, the police arrived with Dd and I explained what had happened and showed them our clean and tidy home with a spare room and made up bed upstairs for Dd to sleep in and showed them the email that said the new bed was arriving. The officer said we had a lovely home and nothing at all to worry about.
We had a family support worker visit after DD’s behaviours - running off etc. They said we were already accessing support privately and didn’t need any additional support. She was referred to a Youth support group but refused to attend after two sessions.

Recently her abuse has escalated further. She decided she wanted her boyfriend to live with us and claimed he was homeless. I called his mum and this was all lies. Dd then said she would run off and never come back if I didn’t allow him to live here. I was in the early stages of pregnancy (which she knew about) and she came back with her boyfriend at midnight, screaming and banging the door - demanding I let him stay. She eventually backed down but I had no sleep and found out a week later at a scan that I had miscarried.

She will use anything as a way to manipulate me. I went with her to the GP to get her put on the pill when she got together with her boyfriend and when she’s in a rage she’ll threaten not to take it in order to make me do what she wants. She has a high need for control. I do ask her to take it every day and she does take it continuously with the occasional 4 day break at the end of a pack as she hates having periods.

Today after not going to work because it was too hot, she demanded a specific brand of salt and vinegar pretzels. When I couldn’t find them in the shop she screamed and swore at me, saying I was a horrible mum and she couldn’t talk to me. She then shouted that she’d had an abortion in secret because I was such a bad mum she couldn’t speak to me. I don’t believe this tbh, as she doesn’t leave the house in the day - apart from going to work this past week. I would also absolutely have supported her - I’ve been there with her through everything, even when she’s been abusive towards me I’ve been calm and loving. I have had a medically managed miscarriage two weeks ago and it was horrendous- there’s little chance Dd has been through that and hid it from me. But I’ve just sobbed and sobbed - triggered by my own experience and also devastated in case Dd has been through that.

She does lie all the time. She once lied that our dog was bleeding badly when we were out and then when asked to send a picture of the wound said he was better now. There was nothing wrong with him.

She’s called 999 twice in the past two weeks. Once during an argument with her boyfriend (she admitted he hadn’t done anything and said she just thought it might escalate). I’m open to the fact that it could be more - but in all honesty I think she uses it as a way to control and abuse him. I’ve witnessed her screaming at him in her rages too.

The second time she apparently ‘pocket dialled’ them.

She then stormed out saying she’s not coming back tonight. She’s blocked me after saying I was a waste of space, don’t deserve children and was a fucking cunt. I have cried and cried and my own mental health is suffering. AIBU to ask her dad to have her (we are amicably divorced) for a bit of respite when she does come back?

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Iusedtobedontcall · 17/08/2022 12:50

Thank you @SwordToFlamethrower and I’m sorry you’ve gone through this too.

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gogohmm · 17/08/2022 13:04

She sounds so like my friends dd. They eventually through social services and camhs sent her to a secure facility which taught them living skills whilst they attended college with 1:1 support. She then went to a half way house at 18-21. I'm not sure if they are available everywhere but it's worked, at 24 she has a flat with her own tenancy and works for Morrisons. Her diagnosis is asd, anxiety and a personality disorder

Alwaystoblame · 17/08/2022 13:26

I've commented on your other thread and am now reading this one. My Dd is so similar to yours and it's heartbreaking and exhausting.

MadeForThis · 17/08/2022 13:50

Her DF sounds like he can't be bothered to keep her. Let him experience her behaviour for a while.

Mumspair1 · 17/08/2022 13:57

Penners99 · 14/08/2022 09:02

Let her go, you have done enough. Time to prioritise yourself and other DD.

I would usually disagree but I think in this case you need to cut her off for a while. She is highly abusive, abusive. How dare she do any of the above. It's horrific and you don't have to accept it just because she is your child. Pack her off to her dad and take some time out for yourself and your other child.

Rowen32 · 17/08/2022 17:25

Iusedtobedontcall · 13/08/2022 19:50

Dd, 16, has been very challenging, particularly in her teen years. She stopped wanting to attend school in year 10 and when she did go in, she was often sent home and was excluded for being verbally abusive, truanting or being disruptive. She would often use threats to kill herself as a way of manipulating the family to do whatever she wanted and obviously every threat had to be taken seriously. We sought private help for her and she got a diagnosis of autism and support from CAMHS. I’ve tried to employ different parenting strategies- I’ve been stricter, I’ve love bombed her, I’ve tried natural consequences, I’ve tried to get her external support - but she hasn’t engaged. I’ve gone through the EHCP process but we were turned down.

Since leaving school she’s secured an apprenticeship in a field she wants to work in, but after only a few days she’s started saying she won’t go in because it’s too hot, or she’s not slept well.

If I offer her food and it’s not exactly what she wants she calls me ‘a fucking cunt’ or a ‘waste of space.’ She was once excluded from school for bullying another student and her response to being told off and asked to give her phone to us as a consequence was to storm off into the night, message a charity helpline saying she was being abused and was going to kill herself and that she had no bed to sleep in.

We had actually dismantled DD’s bed as a new one was being delivered the next day (after she deliberately broke the previous one). After her helpline messages, the police arrived with Dd and I explained what had happened and showed them our clean and tidy home with a spare room and made up bed upstairs for Dd to sleep in and showed them the email that said the new bed was arriving. The officer said we had a lovely home and nothing at all to worry about.
We had a family support worker visit after DD’s behaviours - running off etc. They said we were already accessing support privately and didn’t need any additional support. She was referred to a Youth support group but refused to attend after two sessions.

Recently her abuse has escalated further. She decided she wanted her boyfriend to live with us and claimed he was homeless. I called his mum and this was all lies. Dd then said she would run off and never come back if I didn’t allow him to live here. I was in the early stages of pregnancy (which she knew about) and she came back with her boyfriend at midnight, screaming and banging the door - demanding I let him stay. She eventually backed down but I had no sleep and found out a week later at a scan that I had miscarried.

She will use anything as a way to manipulate me. I went with her to the GP to get her put on the pill when she got together with her boyfriend and when she’s in a rage she’ll threaten not to take it in order to make me do what she wants. She has a high need for control. I do ask her to take it every day and she does take it continuously with the occasional 4 day break at the end of a pack as she hates having periods.

Today after not going to work because it was too hot, she demanded a specific brand of salt and vinegar pretzels. When I couldn’t find them in the shop she screamed and swore at me, saying I was a horrible mum and she couldn’t talk to me. She then shouted that she’d had an abortion in secret because I was such a bad mum she couldn’t speak to me. I don’t believe this tbh, as she doesn’t leave the house in the day - apart from going to work this past week. I would also absolutely have supported her - I’ve been there with her through everything, even when she’s been abusive towards me I’ve been calm and loving. I have had a medically managed miscarriage two weeks ago and it was horrendous- there’s little chance Dd has been through that and hid it from me. But I’ve just sobbed and sobbed - triggered by my own experience and also devastated in case Dd has been through that.

She does lie all the time. She once lied that our dog was bleeding badly when we were out and then when asked to send a picture of the wound said he was better now. There was nothing wrong with him.

She’s called 999 twice in the past two weeks. Once during an argument with her boyfriend (she admitted he hadn’t done anything and said she just thought it might escalate). I’m open to the fact that it could be more - but in all honesty I think she uses it as a way to control and abuse him. I’ve witnessed her screaming at him in her rages too.

The second time she apparently ‘pocket dialled’ them.

She then stormed out saying she’s not coming back tonight. She’s blocked me after saying I was a waste of space, don’t deserve children and was a fucking cunt. I have cried and cried and my own mental health is suffering. AIBU to ask her dad to have her (we are amicably divorced) for a bit of respite when she does come back?

Can she get help for the assault? That can change someone completely

Iusedtobedontcall · 17/08/2022 17:36

There is help available for the assault but she refused it. Most of the behaviours predate the assault so I don’t think this is solely related to trauma.

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Rowen32 · 17/08/2022 17:36

Iusedtobedontcall · 15/08/2022 21:44

And I agree - counselling is great - but she won’t engage with it. Counselling doesn’t work if you don’t engage.

This could really all be coming from the assault. Had she ever had any somatic/body based therapies? If you ever feel like it, it would be worth looking into.
Or something like EFT/Matrix Reimprinting which can be amazing - a different avenue and less talking needed

Rowen32 · 17/08/2022 17:38

Apologies, missed your message, didn't realise it predated that - a trauma like that can be so utterly changing xx

Iusedtobedontcall · 17/08/2022 17:38

I will look into it - even if she’s at her dad’s she can have support there.

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MsTSwift · 17/08/2022 19:34

Christ my sympathy. You have done all you can not sure what else as a parent you are supposed to do. Maybe she will grow out of this? I have heard of horrific teens who mature out of it.

Will never complain about my vaguely messy but otherwise absolutely fine teen again.

kateandme · 18/08/2022 04:57

Rowen32 · 17/08/2022 17:36

This could really all be coming from the assault. Had she ever had any somatic/body based therapies? If you ever feel like it, it would be worth looking into.
Or something like EFT/Matrix Reimprinting which can be amazing - a different avenue and less talking needed

What are these?

kateandme · 18/08/2022 05:01

Rowen32 · 17/08/2022 17:38

Apologies, missed your message, didn't realise it predated that - a trauma like that can be so utterly changing xx

Agreed.and that it's all escalated alongside case 're opening.trauma can bring on every form of her behaviour.if it pre dated,it would certainly be the cherry on the cake to making them so much worse and then some.

Iusedtobedontcall · 18/08/2022 16:52

I have said she can come back and I would like her to commit to some kind of therapy (of her choosing) for a period of six months. She refused and said she will stay at her dad’s.

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Alwaystoblame · 18/08/2022 17:05

My daughter won't engage with therapy either. Anything that requires effort on her part isn't something she is prepared to do yet she says her mental health is really bad. Until they want help there's not much we can do. My Dd has been at her dad's for a year. His house isn't nice, it's not the nicest area and her dad is rarely home and she has to basically look after herself. It's worth it for the freedom she says. That's freedom to smoke, drink alcohol, have sex, bunk off school, not do her homework etc. I've given up now. It's exhausting trying to need things better only to be shit on time and time again. The rest of the summer holidays with be drama free because my other dc deserve to be relaxed and happy and not worry about being attacked by their big sister I'd have their trips out or holidays ruined by her. You have my sympathy OP, it's so difficult and the guilt is awful Flowers

Iusedtobedontcall · 18/08/2022 18:04

Yes Dd is exactly the same. She can’t sustain anything that requires effort or anything that might make her uncomfortable in any way. Nothing motivates her to try. It really is impossible.

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marmitegirl01 · 18/08/2022 18:08

Mine too. It’s soul destroying. She just won’t do or engage with anything to help her to feel better. Is able to go out with her friends as and when tho 🤷‍♀️

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