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To let Dd walk off

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Iusedtobedontcall · 13/08/2022 19:50

Dd, 16, has been very challenging, particularly in her teen years. She stopped wanting to attend school in year 10 and when she did go in, she was often sent home and was excluded for being verbally abusive, truanting or being disruptive. She would often use threats to kill herself as a way of manipulating the family to do whatever she wanted and obviously every threat had to be taken seriously. We sought private help for her and she got a diagnosis of autism and support from CAMHS. I’ve tried to employ different parenting strategies- I’ve been stricter, I’ve love bombed her, I’ve tried natural consequences, I’ve tried to get her external support - but she hasn’t engaged. I’ve gone through the EHCP process but we were turned down.

Since leaving school she’s secured an apprenticeship in a field she wants to work in, but after only a few days she’s started saying she won’t go in because it’s too hot, or she’s not slept well.

If I offer her food and it’s not exactly what she wants she calls me ‘a fucking cunt’ or a ‘waste of space.’ She was once excluded from school for bullying another student and her response to being told off and asked to give her phone to us as a consequence was to storm off into the night, message a charity helpline saying she was being abused and was going to kill herself and that she had no bed to sleep in.

We had actually dismantled DD’s bed as a new one was being delivered the next day (after she deliberately broke the previous one). After her helpline messages, the police arrived with Dd and I explained what had happened and showed them our clean and tidy home with a spare room and made up bed upstairs for Dd to sleep in and showed them the email that said the new bed was arriving. The officer said we had a lovely home and nothing at all to worry about.
We had a family support worker visit after DD’s behaviours - running off etc. They said we were already accessing support privately and didn’t need any additional support. She was referred to a Youth support group but refused to attend after two sessions.

Recently her abuse has escalated further. She decided she wanted her boyfriend to live with us and claimed he was homeless. I called his mum and this was all lies. Dd then said she would run off and never come back if I didn’t allow him to live here. I was in the early stages of pregnancy (which she knew about) and she came back with her boyfriend at midnight, screaming and banging the door - demanding I let him stay. She eventually backed down but I had no sleep and found out a week later at a scan that I had miscarried.

She will use anything as a way to manipulate me. I went with her to the GP to get her put on the pill when she got together with her boyfriend and when she’s in a rage she’ll threaten not to take it in order to make me do what she wants. She has a high need for control. I do ask her to take it every day and she does take it continuously with the occasional 4 day break at the end of a pack as she hates having periods.

Today after not going to work because it was too hot, she demanded a specific brand of salt and vinegar pretzels. When I couldn’t find them in the shop she screamed and swore at me, saying I was a horrible mum and she couldn’t talk to me. She then shouted that she’d had an abortion in secret because I was such a bad mum she couldn’t speak to me. I don’t believe this tbh, as she doesn’t leave the house in the day - apart from going to work this past week. I would also absolutely have supported her - I’ve been there with her through everything, even when she’s been abusive towards me I’ve been calm and loving. I have had a medically managed miscarriage two weeks ago and it was horrendous- there’s little chance Dd has been through that and hid it from me. But I’ve just sobbed and sobbed - triggered by my own experience and also devastated in case Dd has been through that.

She does lie all the time. She once lied that our dog was bleeding badly when we were out and then when asked to send a picture of the wound said he was better now. There was nothing wrong with him.

She’s called 999 twice in the past two weeks. Once during an argument with her boyfriend (she admitted he hadn’t done anything and said she just thought it might escalate). I’m open to the fact that it could be more - but in all honesty I think she uses it as a way to control and abuse him. I’ve witnessed her screaming at him in her rages too.

The second time she apparently ‘pocket dialled’ them.

She then stormed out saying she’s not coming back tonight. She’s blocked me after saying I was a waste of space, don’t deserve children and was a fucking cunt. I have cried and cried and my own mental health is suffering. AIBU to ask her dad to have her (we are amicably divorced) for a bit of respite when she does come back?

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WhenISnappedAndFarted · 15/08/2022 21:17

OP I don't have any advice for you but I think you've done the right thing. She's at her Dad's let him take control and deal with her and you get some much needed rest.

Iusedtobedontcall · 15/08/2022 21:21

I was just bumping for any further thoughts really. I think I’ve decided not to have her back here full time and I’m feeling conflicted about it but also relieved. It’s the constant lying and manipulation. She even got her week’s train fare from me after knowing she’d been sacked.

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caringcarer · 15/08/2022 21:32

Your dd sounds put of control. You have done everything humanly possible to help and support her and she is not appreciative of you instead she actively seeks to destroy you. You have another dd and for her sake you need to ask your ex to try to look after dd living at his house at least until you recover emotionally from your miscarriage. Ask ex to get her a pregnancy implant as she forgets to take pill. Try to be kind to yourself and get some sleep. Take a stepping tablet if necessary. Your dd is deliberately staying out to worry you but you know that. If she moves out give her space and she will come back to you.

Leafy3 · 15/08/2022 21:34

I think you're doing all the right things, op Flowers

Iusedtobedontcall · 15/08/2022 21:43

Thank you. I’m scared I’ll cave and have her back - but I don’t want to. I don’t want to be abused in my own home any more. I’ve had it for years. She won’t bully her dad and I think it might be for the best that she lives there and finds a new college (that she won’t go to - just as she didn’t go to school and just as she skipped work).

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Iusedtobedontcall · 15/08/2022 21:44

And I agree - counselling is great - but she won’t engage with it. Counselling doesn’t work if you don’t engage.

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LearnedAxolotl · 15/08/2022 21:48

You are still her mum, even if she doesn't live with you so you're done now but her living elsewhere might be just what's needed to preserve the rest of the mother/daughter relationship which is hanging on by a thread. Her dad can step up and take the lead now. I would say though keep communication open with him - don't let her get in between the two of you because you know she's manipulative.

Iusedtobedontcall · 15/08/2022 21:50

Thank you. I forgot to mention that we found out once that she’d made a fake brother on a social media account and cat fished her own best friend at the time, who thought this ‘brother’ was her boyfriend. She lies and lies and lies. I don’t even know if she loves me.

I will always be her mum and I love her. But I have to prioritise myself.

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Iusedtobedontcall · 15/08/2022 22:28

I do feel this is typical of PDA - she cannot cope with the demands of work and so she’ll do anything to avoid it. I’ll suggest her dad applies for PIP if need be and if, as predicted, she can’t go to college. And I sympathise, I really do. But I can’t cope and I can’t take the abuse.

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RandomMess · 15/08/2022 22:46

I think it is likely best you refuse to have her back. You need the "experts" on board and by refusing to carry on being abused by her they will have to find her supported accommodation, PIP etc.

You have your other child to protect and support Flowers

Iusedtobedontcall · 15/08/2022 22:58

I think so - I suspect she hasn’t had help so far as I’ve appeared to be coping. It breaks my heart but it’s the right thing for us both.

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RandomMess · 15/08/2022 23:40

How can we support you?

SIL ignored DN issues for years 🙄 it got horrific quickly when DN was 13ish.

Now SIL is racked with guilt and living as a victim.

Adopt tough love, accept you have given all you could and detach enough to accept she is who she is and your parenting cannot change that only do what is best for her which is different to NT DC Flowers

Iusedtobedontcall · 15/08/2022 23:51

Thank you - I think the support here has been great. I blamed myself - that’s what you do as a parent, question yourself.

I do think it’s the right thing for her and for our family. She’ll have to change college - but she’s not going to go to college realistically. And I don’t know if the career option she’s picked is right in any case, since she didn’t last much more than a week in her apprenticeship.

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Iusedtobedontcall · 16/08/2022 12:20

I am not sure her dad wants to keep her - he said that I should just have a break and not think too far ahead. I am certain that it doesn’t work having her here. I’m not sure what gave me the final push but I feel terrified of having her here. I’ve been reading about coercive control and abuse from children to parents and I do think that’s what she’s been doing.

dd does all of these things - except physical abuse. She doesn’t hit, but she does throw things and damage property etc.

To let Dd walk off
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Leafy3 · 16/08/2022 13:23

Well he has a parental responsibility to her too and you've exhausted your abilities, it's time for him to step up.

Iusedtobedontcall · 16/08/2022 13:58

It’s sad - I had so many hopes for her.

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Iusedtobedontcall · 16/08/2022 15:50

I’ve missed the deadline to request mediation in time for EHCP appeal. I’m annoyed with myself. I’m still going to call for advice.

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Queenofthestress · 17/08/2022 08:28

Sounds like you need help from social services or a specific autism support service. She probably can't engage with CBT or DBT because they're not communicating in the way that she needs.

KosherDill · 17/08/2022 08:48

UWhatNow · 13/08/2022 20:17

The level of lies and malicious behaviour would make me question her grip on reality. She sounds quite disturbed and distressed. You are clearly suffering on all fronts. I think you both need significant support tbh. Call your GP and go from there.

Agree. She sounds mentally ill.

Sympathy to you, OP. It all sounds very difficult.

Iusedtobedontcall · 17/08/2022 09:27

The GP looks sympathetic but can do nothing. She has a psychiatrist. She’s at her dad’s now and I’ve suggested they look for a college near there now. If she can’t attend I think he can look at applying for PIP for her. I can’t cope with her and I’ve done ten years on my own so it’s his turn now.

She sent me a screenshot of a negative pregnancy test yesterday with no context. I ignored it (more manipulation) and she’s blocked me. I’ll respond to her when she engages in a positive way and I will ignore manipulation.

She did attended an autism youth group but like most other things - managed two sessions and dropped out. We’ve tried: the youth service (dropped out); girls’ football (dropped out); boxing (dropped out); CBT specialising in communication and social difficulties (dropped out); child psychiatrist (refuses to engage, prescribed sertraline); additional support at school (didn’t attend); an apprenticeship in her choice of career (made excuses not to attend and was let go).

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Iusedtobedontcall · 17/08/2022 09:29

I am honestly convinced that there is nothing on earth with any professional, no matter how experienced with autism they are, that would work if she does not want to engage. And actually because she has a strong need for control, disengagement from me might be the best strategy.

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Iusedtobedontcall · 17/08/2022 09:33

The more I want to help her, the more she resists help as a way to control and manipulate. She uses the fact that I care and worry about her as a way to get what she wants.

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kateandme · 17/08/2022 11:36

Rightly or wrongly it does sound like you've had enough of her.youve now done nothing bytvtalk negatively of her and provided us with as much proof as you can as to why its ok yo let her go,she bad,manipulator.
To me I'm sorry this still falls under a very poorly traumatised young woman.
Everything screams ptsd after a S.A. too! The need for safety.for proof of care.for proof of being saved,worthy,enough.oushing pair to see if they can catch her.
Even the "naughyiness" is reactive to not being believed in her case enough.and now to be needed as others have come forward and the case is back open.she is an open wound screaming in agony.
And with kids it can go inwards or it can go outwards. Hers is the latter.
Is it ok.no often the behaviours aren't.
But does it mean she's a bad kid,that's not what I'm seeing here.
Does it mean you can cope.no.some can't.some can.being all e with it won't help.
People with extreme mental distress need so much support.it is key to their survival.
Butvyiur child will not get better because she needs to or u tell hereto or provide 20 apts to see someone.
And this shouldn't be seen as a choice no more than physical illness are sometimes not a choice.
Mentally she might not be able to get that help or turn it around.

There needs to be People in her life that aren't going to give on her or she never will.you need to make this clear to her father.
If she is to get through this she needs to feel worthy of it which right now it sounds like she does t and feels pretty dam lousy right down to her bones.

SwordToFlamethrower · 17/08/2022 11:55

Wow do we have the same daughter?

My dd now lives with her dad because she ran away age 11 because she didn't want to face consequences of lying, stealing, being aggressive and manipulative. She reported me to ss for abuse but of course nothing came of it because having your phone confiscated for lying isn't child abuse.

She is 13 now. Authorities refuse to give her an asd assessment, saying there is nothing wrong with her. Really??

She self harms, she lies, she refuses to go to school.

Like you I have loved her and tried everything I can to help her but I am consistently the bad guy.

It has been 18 months and she won't come home. It hurts me every day but my life has been so much better since she has gone, which is so hard to admit.

I really empathise with you, so much. Our daughters are the same, just mine is 13.

Iusedtobedontcall · 17/08/2022 12:50

@kateandme I haven’t given up on her. I’m appealing her EHCP decision (the miscarriage I had is something I’m hoping they will consider as a reason for the late appeal) and I paid for her private diagnosis. I’m the one who went to the police with her and supported her. I’m the one who arranged all the meetings with school and CAMHS and the SENCO. I’m the one who took her to hospital and stayed with her. And I’m still her mum. But her abusing everyone in the household isn’t doing anyone any favours, not even her.

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