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Man stalking woman, excused by saying he must be autistic..

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AutismIsStigmatised · 13/08/2022 14:11

I came across this video on TikTok today, I'll post the link below but in summary an unknown man posed as an amazon delivery person to get access to a block of flats this woman lives in. He was behaving strangely and wanted to give her a 'gift' which was some sort of cup / candle holder. She confronted him and he left, then came back up again, left again then came back up a third time with his hood up as though he was about to do something sinister. Very bloody creepy.

vm.tiktok.com/ZMNsQfG2W/

The comments are littered with people saying that he's 'clearly autistic'

Take a look and tell me what you think but as the parent of an autistic boy (and wife of an autistic adult) it really upsets me when people assume scary/criminal behaviour is due to autism. I know many people with autism and not one has ever behaved like that..

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Hopeandlove · 13/08/2022 14:13

Frustrating and ignorant

FlyingSaucerss · 13/08/2022 14:16

Tbf it happens on here, people seem to suggest autism for all sorts of behaviour, see it on many threads

x2boys · 13/08/2022 14:17

FlyingSaucerss · 13/08/2022 14:16

Tbf it happens on here, people seem to suggest autism for all sorts of behaviour, see it on many threads

Yep me too ,or Dementia.

AutismIsStigmatised · 13/08/2022 14:18

FlyingSaucerss · 13/08/2022 14:16

Tbf it happens on here, people seem to suggest autism for all sorts of behaviour, see it on many threads

Indeed. I saw one thread recently about highly strung children having tantrums and a good 5-10 people were adamant they must be on the spectrum.

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BetterBee · 13/08/2022 14:22

To be fair he does look like he has some sort of learning disability. He wasn’t aggressive at all. If it’s repetitive then that’s different. She could report it and maybe someone could have a word with him. Personally I wouldn’t be frightened at a one off with that kind of behaviour.

RainbowBridge21 · 13/08/2022 14:22

I think it's quite offensive to people with autism tbh

bellac11 · 13/08/2022 14:24

FlyingSaucerss · 13/08/2022 14:16

Tbf it happens on here, people seem to suggest autism for all sorts of behaviour, see it on many threads

I agree, its constant on here

Except in situations like this when its a criminal act and then all of a sudden it cant possibly be from any MH or disorder.

mattressspring · 13/08/2022 14:26

BetterBee · 13/08/2022 14:22

To be fair he does look like he has some sort of learning disability. He wasn’t aggressive at all. If it’s repetitive then that’s different. She could report it and maybe someone could have a word with him. Personally I wouldn’t be frightened at a one off with that kind of behaviour.

Eh Hmm

JudyGemstone · 13/08/2022 14:26

I remember working with a young man who was autistic, he was a lovely kind soul. He used to catch the train every day with a young woman and would tell me about how he would chat to her, I think he probably did have a crush on her but he thought they were friends.

he was so mortified and upset when the police knocked one day to tell him he had been reported for stalking and harassment and was to stay away from her in the future.

he’d obviously frightened her but he really had no idea. I felt awful for him.

so it’s entirely possible he could be autistic as this sort of thing can happen. It’s not a given of course though, a lot more info would be needed.

AutismIsStigmatised · 13/08/2022 14:27

BetterBee · 13/08/2022 14:22

To be fair he does look like he has some sort of learning disability. He wasn’t aggressive at all. If it’s repetitive then that’s different. She could report it and maybe someone could have a word with him. Personally I wouldn’t be frightened at a one off with that kind of behaviour.

I'm not sure I would be comfortable writing it off as a harmless person with a learning disability if that were me, not without confirmation from the authorities. The fact he posed as an amazon employee to gain access shows he was being calculating and the way his whole demeanor changed the third time he came back up was pretty scary.

I assume she's called the police but there are no updates on the page as of yet.

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mattressspring · 13/08/2022 14:27

I saw this video earlier. It terrifying a predatory man is being excused. Fucking standard though.

AutismIsStigmatised · 13/08/2022 14:28

JudyGemstone · 13/08/2022 14:26

I remember working with a young man who was autistic, he was a lovely kind soul. He used to catch the train every day with a young woman and would tell me about how he would chat to her, I think he probably did have a crush on her but he thought they were friends.

he was so mortified and upset when the police knocked one day to tell him he had been reported for stalking and harassment and was to stay away from her in the future.

he’d obviously frightened her but he really had no idea. I felt awful for him.

so it’s entirely possible he could be autistic as this sort of thing can happen. It’s not a given of course though, a lot more info would be needed.

🥺

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Scianel · 13/08/2022 14:29

That's terrifying. He's back and forth, hanging about rather than leaving, and she's obviously petrified by the end of it.
It doesn't matter what sort of disability he has. She has the right not to be frightened in her own home.

notreallynoo · 13/08/2022 14:30

JudyGemstone · 13/08/2022 14:26

I remember working with a young man who was autistic, he was a lovely kind soul. He used to catch the train every day with a young woman and would tell me about how he would chat to her, I think he probably did have a crush on her but he thought they were friends.

he was so mortified and upset when the police knocked one day to tell him he had been reported for stalking and harassment and was to stay away from her in the future.

he’d obviously frightened her but he really had no idea. I felt awful for him.

so it’s entirely possible he could be autistic as this sort of thing can happen. It’s not a given of course though, a lot more info would be needed.

Poor thing. My ds is 6 and doesn't understand when children don't want to play 😢

Scianel · 13/08/2022 14:30

he’d obviously frightened her but he really had no idea. I felt awful for him

I feel awful for her. She's the one who has been put in fear.

InquiringMinds · 13/08/2022 14:31

@AutismIsStigmatised I cannot pass judgement to yes or no in relation to if he is or not. However, this behaviour is frightening to her and might get worse. The bastard who raped me when I was 19 claimed to be Autistic when arrested. He had never come across as it before and had worked at w friend’s business without any issues until he began stalking me. He never went to prison though as his Mum is a Doctor and backed up his story without any evidence just her word. The next night my best friend saw him dancing at a local club and acting as though nothing had happened. He ordered drinks normally, no behaviour whatsoever to anything other than that he was a liar and should have been locked up. I could be wrong about this video on Tik Tok but it saddens me how many people blame autism on their behaviour when they don’t suffer from it.

mattressspring · 13/08/2022 14:32

JudyGemstone · 13/08/2022 14:26

I remember working with a young man who was autistic, he was a lovely kind soul. He used to catch the train every day with a young woman and would tell me about how he would chat to her, I think he probably did have a crush on her but he thought they were friends.

he was so mortified and upset when the police knocked one day to tell him he had been reported for stalking and harassment and was to stay away from her in the future.

he’d obviously frightened her but he really had no idea. I felt awful for him.

so it’s entirely possible he could be autistic as this sort of thing can happen. It’s not a given of course though, a lot more info would be needed.

No. I disagree. It's irrelevant at the point of the video whether he is autistic or not. His behaviour is predatory and frightening.

Nobody should be looking for excuses for this man. If there is a reason he doesn't understand the implications of his behaviour then I would be happy to hear it. Later. Because the thing that matters now is the woman safety, not the man's fucking pride/ego/whatever. Let's not excuse.

RainbowsMoonbeams · 13/08/2022 14:32

RainbowBridge21 · 13/08/2022 14:22

I think it's quite offensive to people with autism tbh

This!!

BetterBee · 13/08/2022 14:33

Of course she has a right to be frightened as I’m sure many would be. A learning disability doesn’t excuse that kind of behaviour or make him safe, but I think it should be taken into consideration before people make him
a target. A phone call to 101 hopefully would sort his behaviour and any agencies involved with him can intervene.

HailAdrian · 13/08/2022 14:33

Scianel · 13/08/2022 14:30

he’d obviously frightened her but he really had no idea. I felt awful for him

I feel awful for her. She's the one who has been put in fear.

Can't you 'feel awful' for both of them? Having a disability can make you extremely vulnerable. This makes me glad my autistic son will never live independently tbh.

AutismIsStigmatised · 13/08/2022 14:35

InquiringMinds · 13/08/2022 14:31

@AutismIsStigmatised I cannot pass judgement to yes or no in relation to if he is or not. However, this behaviour is frightening to her and might get worse. The bastard who raped me when I was 19 claimed to be Autistic when arrested. He had never come across as it before and had worked at w friend’s business without any issues until he began stalking me. He never went to prison though as his Mum is a Doctor and backed up his story without any evidence just her word. The next night my best friend saw him dancing at a local club and acting as though nothing had happened. He ordered drinks normally, no behaviour whatsoever to anything other than that he was a liar and should have been locked up. I could be wrong about this video on Tik Tok but it saddens me how many people blame autism on their behaviour when they don’t suffer from it.

I'm so sorry for what happened to you.

Autistic or not, autism is absolutely not an excuse to rape and sexually assault people and I'm repulsed that any court in the land would think it was.

Shame on his mother too. I could never try to explain such severe offending behaviour on my DS' autism. Rapists need to feel the full force of the law regardless of any disabilities they may or may not have.

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Scianel · 13/08/2022 14:35

No I don't feel awful for him at all. And I have an autism diagnosis.

Scianel · 13/08/2022 14:36

If he does have any sort of learning disability, that doesn't necessarily prevent him from being dangerous either.

Where I grew up, a man with LD raped a small girl. I don't think the fact of his disablity would have lessened her trauma at all.

HailAdrian · 13/08/2022 14:36

Scianel · 13/08/2022 14:35

No I don't feel awful for him at all. And I have an autism diagnosis.

Well, it's a pity that you can't empathise with vulnerable people unless they are female.

Scianel · 13/08/2022 14:37

Well, it's a pity that you can't empathise with vulnerable people unless they are female

That's quite a reach.

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