Porn culture has led to women suffering injuries during sex

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Apart from all the violence etc porn portrays as normal, anal sex is definitely treated as an everyday thing that women enjoy. I don't personally. I know some women claim they do but I've certainly known men who pressure for it and I'm guessing it's only got worse in the years since I was dating.

This article suggests women are unknowingly entering into something that can cause serious injuries.

www.theguardian.com/society/2022/aug/11/rise-in-popularity-of-anal-sex-has-led-to-health-problems-for-women

We have to have data in support of the proposition that most women don’t like it. Yet oddly, those suggesting that a certain amount of anal sex is not risky felt no need to produce any data in support of that.

I don't think you can knowingly point that out until you know what 'most ' actually means. You would have to measure that. 🤷‍♀️

It has been measured

25% of women do it, as stated numerous times on this thread, so 75% don't do it

A survey of teenagers found "Few young men or women reported finding anal sex pleasurable and both expected anal sex to be painful for women. This study offers explanations for why anal sex may occur despite this."

bmjopen.bmj.com/content/4/8/e004996

I'm not a teacher, but would think the fairest least shameful way to educate teenagers about this would be to discuss the studies findings.

Not pointing out that it is commonly not pleasurable or even painful for women would seem negligent

The Queen of Spain’s Beard. Funniest episode of the weakest series.

25% of women do it, as stated numerous times on this thread, so 75% don't do it

Cool - give out the stats as they exist.

I know it's been stated lots of times - but a lot of posters disputed that it was too many anyway. But hey I couldn't possibly say. Only know about me and my circle ( sort of )

I'm not a teacher, but would think the fairest least shameful way to educate teenagers about this would be to discuss the studies findings.

This

We have to have data in support of the proposition that most women don’t like it. Yet oddly, those suggesting that a certain amount of anal sex is not risky felt no need to produce any data in support of that.

If you're going to discuss it in schools yes, you're going to need data obviously.

I didn't see any one saying "it is not risky" or arguing that it was 'not risky ' as a practice, only that they themselves happily practised it.

Which is different. And no data needed.

Why we have to fall over ourselves in the first place to be fair to the bumsex brigade in our education -the idea that we have to have an empathetic, 'rightthink' response to dangerous and repugnant sexual behaviour is the dystopia we're already in. The small minority prove that they are not willing to simply be 'tolerated' and keep it in the bedroom, they demand sycophantic affirmation from those who find it to be undesirable. Their right to 'not be shamed' as they engage with behaviour most find repulsive, trumps the needs of women and children's physical and emotional health and wellbeing.

And adding to that it's ultimately so we don't offend a certain demographic - so yet again male sexual gratification is the most important thing over the sexual health and wellbeing of women and girls.

@AdamRyan yes, one of the links on here led to a survey where the majority of women found it painful. The survey explained that for some women pain did not exceed pleasure, or they enjoyed the pain as part of the experience. I may read it again, as I can't remember what proportion of women that was. I think people's sensitivity and relationship to pain is obviously very different. That's why masochism exists. Or why people will have different levels of pain with the same injury. However, I think you are right that women should know it's likely to be painful, in case they believe the media telling them it may feel 'strange' but that's ok.

If you read back you will see posters claiming that a certain amount (not too much) was safe. They were, however, unable to say what that safe amount was. That inability means that the claim that some anal sex is safe should not be made. There is no evidence to support it. There is, however, abundant evidence of injury being caused by it.

Why we have to fall over ourselves in the first place to be fair to the bumsex brigade in our education

Yawn. So tedious. Other people have got their point across without resorting to unfunny jokes and 'shaming cos u care'. You don't care about anyone's sexual health or wellbeing, or you wouldn't keep being an arse. Nobody is going to pay kind to what you write.

Others have made good points.

I do agree with @TullyApplebottom that it's probably a small amount of women who like it. I suspect that is because they are masochistic, or have a n unusually high pain threshold. Like masochists, they are entitled to pursue their interests, but we don't suggest educating the public on flagellation because a minority enjoys it. The BMJ article from @AdamRyan is quite horrifying, showing that many men know it will hurt but push partners to do it anyway.

Their right to 'not be shamed' as they engage with behaviour most find repulsive, trumps the needs of women and children's physical and emotional health and wellbeing.

🙄 who thinks the needs of women and children should be trumped?

Who? Probably exactly no one on this thread.

There is a horrendous problem right now with what porn is saying and teaching young people, men and women. It's frightening that young woman or men are feeling they must do anything sexually.

Equally If you think telling women what they should or shouldn't be doing sexually on an internet thread helps in any way or is any different. crack on. It's just as arrogant as most porn.

You can jig it up as being about the needs of others. But it's just as controlling and dominating.

Maybe you did want a discussion about this subject in a non totalitarian way but I doubt it . I don't think you really care about the needs of^^ any of the others that you spout on about.

There Is a great deal of commonality on here but lost under a tidal wave of people' s personal objections to sexual practice.

I fear for my kids. I talk to them about personal choice. That is not respected on here.

So don't make me laugh saying it's about the personal health and well being of other women and children. Nah it's all about you.

If you read back you will see posters claiming that a certain amount (not too much) was safe. They were, however, unable to say what that safe amount was. That inability means that the claim that some anal sex is safe should not be made. There is no evidence to support it. There is, however, abundant evidence of injury being caused by it.

sorry @TullyApplebottom I didn't read it like that all.

I read it as people describing their own sexual practice and that it was 'safe' ( if they used that word ? did they? ) for themselves. I didn't see anybody making claims in opposition to the original article. Some people mentioned the frequency they did it. ( tmi!)

They were, however, unable to say what that safe amount was.

I doubt they know. I took it that it was just what they liked to do in the privacy of their own bedroom.

Why we have to fall over ourselves in the first place to be fair to the bumsex brigade in our education

Yawn. So tedious. Other people have got their point across without resorting to unfunny jokes and 'shaming cos u care'. You don't care about anyone's sexual health or wellbeing, or you wouldn't keep being an arse. Nobody is going to pay kind to what you write.

Others have made good points.

Much more succinct than me

They don’t know, which is why they shouldn’t be saying that doing it in moderation is safe.

They don’t know, which is why they shouldn’t be saying that doing it in moderation is safe.

I didn't read anyone saying that tbh

Certainly none claimed to be medics or have data. It was all very personal.

And therefore irrelevant to the discussion

And therefore irrelevant to the discussion

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( Well, apart from the fact their existence has enraged some posters 😄

Bum Sex Brigade are like vegans. (preaching and judging and trying to convert people...) )

They're totally relevant because yes some women practice anal sex and enjoy it despite the risks.

They've made a choice.

Whereas it seems so many women particularly young women are being forced to make a choice they don't really want to make, with dire consequences.

Did you read the article in the OP which included explanations from doctors about why women are less likely to enjoy receiving anal sex than men and are also more likely to experience injury to their anal sphincter due to anatomical differences?

Here's one of the "it's safe" posts from up thread

Here's another - from page 1

Another

Another - "normal and healthy"

Thank you @AdamRyan All those people talking about women just needing to do it safely, to practise, that it's normal, healthy and everyday. That's what so many here are arguing against.

Yet more irrelevant wittering. Individual preferences of some posters have absolutely nothing to do with what the content of education on this issue should be.

Coupled of course with stigmatisation of those who reject or criticise the activity. Almost as if these people aren’t actually all that confident about their choices, deep down, isn’t it?