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Toxic Inheritance Situation - Please help

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Teentaxidriver · 09/08/2022 22:39

I am dealing with a situation that I never expected to cope with and it is making me hugely anxious. Any advice would be gratefully received.

My only uncle died about a month ago. He was divorced and childless (his only child unexpectedly died at the beginning of the year). In his will, he named me as his sole beneficiary and executor. My mother (his only sister) and my brother are left out entirely. My parents are FURIOUS and demanding that I give my brother 50%. They also expect to be "involved" in the process of obtaining probate. Every single conversation we have had since his funeral has been dreadful with my dad being petty and passive aggressive and my mother crying (she has form for this basically to get her own way).

I intend to give my brother a share (like £125K) (my uncle told me to give him something but sadly I never had a chance to clarify what that meant) and also give my parents a lump sum of about £25k. My parents have no need of the money - they own their own home outright and my Dad has a great private pension.

I am normally very close to my parents, in that I am the perfect daughter, dutiful, kind, giving. I was very close to my uncle - saw him regularly, sent him presents at Christmas, phoned him, post-cards when away, emailed him, etc. Honestly I felt sad for him that he was mostly alone and his only child was a bit of a fuck-up.

My brother hasn't seen his uncle for about 20 years. My mother's relationship with my uncle had also definitely declined in the last few years. I think my father encouraged this for reasons to do with jealousy and resentment. At times, when my uncle was very ill, for instance, they refused to travel to where he lived in order to help him. I have been aghast at times by how callous they were.

The estate is probably worth about £550K after tax. The money would be life-changing for us. Pay off a big chunk of our mortgage, have some savings. My husband spent tens of thousands supporting both of his parents and then inherited nothing. My brother's wife has already had an inheritance from an uncle and expects her parents to leave her property.

Sorry for the essay. I didn't want to drip feed. Thoughts much appreciated.

I guess the idea of holding up a mirror to my elderly parents and confronting them with the reality of how they/ my brother behaved is something I am struggling to get my head around.

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EasterIssland · 09/08/2022 23:19

Id keep it all as your brother didn’t have a relationship with your uncle. He doesn’t Deserve a single penny and even less if they’re bulling you to do so

Theluggage15 · 09/08/2022 23:20

You shouldn’t feel obliged to give your parents anything, if it was your uncle’s wish that your brother got something I would give him £20k max, he clearly didn’t have much of a relationship with your uncle so why give him so much?

Thatboymum · 09/08/2022 23:21

I think your parents will disinherit you even if you give your brother £125k so honestly I’d give them nothing, you said yourself they were like strangers to him so would you give another stranger 125k because they bullied you into it, your uncle wanted to see you rite in life and he obviously trusted you and loved you very much don’t disrespect his wishes just to keep the living happy and if it costs you your family that says more about them than you

Kup · 09/08/2022 23:22

EmeraldShamrock1 · 09/08/2022 23:01

You're not obliged to give him anything however I couldn't happily accept that amount without giving my only sibling 25%.

The 75% left for your family would be life changing anyway.

Some might think you purposely kept up contact with your uncle with a plan in hope for a share in his wealth, the fact his son died it was completely left to you.

I have two elderly childless aunts whom I have no expectations of inheriting anything from, I do have an adult cousin who brown noses both of them, he doesn't do anything for them but visits monthly for an hour, he is definitely laying the ground work like a little vulture.

I suspect he'll be inheriting from them, I'm sure it he suspects it too.

If I was left 550k from an uncle I'd definitely share.

I've seen a very similar situation happen, fortunately not with my own family. The woman involved obviously had their eyes on the money and they were handsomely rewarded once the uncles died. The uncle cut everyone else out the will. From her point of view she helped look after him but from everyone else's she only did it for the money.

I have four siblings one of which is a a nasty piece of work and has caused no end of grief to everyone else in the family. My parents are still leaving any inheritance to us all equally despite the fact my other siblings and I are the ones caring for them. We ALL think this is the right thing to do. I am going to be the executor and I'll make sure everything is done completely fairly. I won't reward myself for being more involved with my parents.

Having said all that if I were the OP I wouldn't give anything to the parents but I would split it equally with the brother. You can't value your relationship with your brother that much.

Thelnebriati · 09/08/2022 23:22

Instead of giving him a lump sum, could you set up a trust and give your brother a small annual amount, which would stop if you are disinherited?

SkiingIsHeaven · 09/08/2022 23:24

Your parents don't need the money, your brother doesn't deserve the money. Your uncle wanted you to have it.

You should respect your uncle's wishes.

I understand that you feel guilty but you are offering way too much to them.

fallfallfall · 09/08/2022 23:26

for the sake of some peace; i would share with your brother and parents. i would only share once taxes were settled so maybe in 6+ months time. once you know the full amount of what you have (and time has passed so less emotions) i would be kind to both but be generous with myself as well.
with the amounts you mentioned i would consider 100K to the brother (nice round number) and 100K to your nasty on your case parents to shut them up somewhat.

Brigante9 · 09/08/2022 23:27

First of all, travel without them on Friday, it’ll be hell. Second, they aren’t named in the will, so you don’t give them a penny. How can your brother demand anything? Or is that through your parents that he’s communicating this? Is it his true feeling? I suggest y communicate with him directly (if at all) and be brutal with your parents. Why should they get a penny with their lack of relationship recently?

billy1966 · 09/08/2022 23:28

TrashyPanda · 09/08/2022 23:03

Keep the money.

i think it would be hugely disrespectful to your uncle to give a huge chunk of his money to someone (your brother) who totally ignored him. If your uncle had wanted your brother to benefit from his estate, he would have included him in his will.

This.

Your parents sound like bullys.

Highly likely they will give everything to your brother.

Don't be a mug.

Stop being bullied.

Do not go with them friday.

Kup · 09/08/2022 23:29

@RebOrHon The tax implications of handing over such substantial sums are horrendous

They are really not! 😂😂😂 That would be the worst excuse for the OP not to split the money with her brother. It be worth checking with a solicetor how best to do it but it's definitely not 'horrendous'

CompleteGinasaur · 09/08/2022 23:30

Obviously I have no real idea of your family's dynamics other than the sketch you have given here, but another point that occurs to me is that your uncle may have left everything to you not only because you treated him with the affection and respect which were withheld from the rest of his/your family, but also because he could possibly see a situation where all of your parental inheritance went to your brother? Was your uncle a sound judge of character, if this might be the case? This may be the only inheritance you get, op; it's certainly the only one you can be sure of to put your own family on a sounder financial footing..

Teentaxidriver · 09/08/2022 23:31

RebOrHon - can you elaborate on the tax implications please.

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chaosmaker · 09/08/2022 23:32

I also wouldn't let them come along on Friday. It's none of their business what your uncle decided to do. If it was then he'd have included them. Keep the money that he left to you. If your family decide to sour relations due to this then it is all on them.

DameMargaretofChalfont · 09/08/2022 23:32

Whatever you decide you must not make any decisions now.

Emotions are way too high and family are putting massively unfair pressure on you.

Follow all legal procedures and claim everything you can as the sole beneficiary.
Then put the money aside for a period of time (months or even a year) until you process what is going on and then you can decide how to proceed.

Tell your family that you need time to think things through - if they love and care for you they will respect your wishes. If they don't respect your wishes then they don't deserve a single penny and you can see why your uncle acted as he did.

Never forget your uncle acted as he did for a reason. Sadly, you'll never know why other family members were cut out of his will, but he named you as sole beneficiary so please do not be bullied by your family into making bequests that your uncle did not want.

Theluggage15 · 09/08/2022 23:32

People saying she should give loads to her brother and parents is not what her uncle wanted, otherwise he would have put it in his will. His wishes should be respected.

raisinghell · 09/08/2022 23:33

Come on op, stand up for yourself. 7 hours of stressful driving would be dangerous for a start. Tell them they are not coming and don’t engage. Don’t discuss the probate process with them at all. Get it finalised before you decide how much to give your bother, personally I think you’re planning to give far too much. Don’t give your parents anything. They don’t need it and your uncle didn’t ask you to.
There is a reason why your uncle chose you as executor and they are proving him right.

Thefruitbatdancer · 09/08/2022 23:33

Can you discuss this situation with the solicitors who drew up the will and explain the pressure that you're under. They might be able to help or advise you in some way.

Roasteros · 09/08/2022 23:35

OP, if they are behaving like this now, can you be sure that they would not disinherit you, even if you give your brother a share?

SteakExpectations · 09/08/2022 23:37

I think it’s really disrespectful of your Uncle’s memory when he’s gone to the trouble of getting a Will made to express his wishes, and then you’re going to go against it anyway. Your Uncle knew what your mother would be like, he knew about your brother’s wife’s inheritance, he knew what a great relationship he had with you and he knew your brother could not be bothered. He made the Will based on the facts and his wishes. Do as your Uncle wished and keep 100% of the money. Do not feel pressured. Your family sound like a bunch of grabby shits and there’s no guarantee that your parents won’t lose their home and any potential inheritance to nursing home fees or take it all as equity release or even transfer it to your brother early anyway! I also think that whatever you gave them, £50K, £100K etc, it would not be enough and they’d come back begging or making passive aggressive comments soon enough. With what you’ve said about your mum, she probably believes that you should give all of it to your brother and for you to be thrown the crumbs - what a laugh!

Allow yourself to use accept this wonderful gift from your Uncle and start to go low contact with these people as soon as you can.

Sorry for your loss Flowers

Thefruitbatdancer · 09/08/2022 23:38

Does your brother have a child/ren,? I'd be inclined to give £5k each to his kids and leave him out early.

Tell your mum you'll put £5k in premium bonds towards her care home fees just to shut her up.

Tbh don't give the grabby bastards a single penny.

Tallisimo · 09/08/2022 23:39

You are not obliged to give anyone anything. Your uncle made his wishes pretty clear. If he had wanted anyone to receive a bequest he could have easily done so. Your brother had nothing nothing to do with your uncle for 20 years, and your parents, it seems, were.anything but kind to hi.

For all these reasons, I would think very carefully before deciding what to do with your inheritance . Apart from anything else, don’t let your mother pressure you. Probate is a legal process and it’s nothing to do with her. She can’t get involved.

Teentaxidriver · 09/08/2022 23:40

I never expected a bean. My uncle had one child who was set to inherit the lot and who then died in his early 40s earlier this year. At which point everything shifted. TBH I expected DB to perk up and make more of an effort then in anticipation of something coming his way (he didn't). The universal expectation was that my parents would get the lot - in all previous wills, in the event cousin died, it went to my mum. I know she planned to split it 50/50. Uncle made a new will in May. My Dad keeps telling me that my mother was my uncle's closest blood relative.

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whumpthereitis · 09/08/2022 23:40

‘For the sake of peace’

fuck ‘peace’, if ‘peace’ is defined as being browbeaten into giving into the demands of people that have no problem bullying you.

I wouldn’t entertain conversations about the money. If that means not entertaining them, then so be it. Your uncle left the money to you, and you were the one that cared for him at the end of his life. They’ve popped up with their hands out now he’s dead. Fuck. That. Use your uncle’s gift to make a better life for yourself with you husband and children

Kup · 09/08/2022 23:41

Teentaxidriver · 09/08/2022 23:31

RebOrHon - can you elaborate on the tax implications please.

If the estate is mainly a property with some savings there won't be much inheritance tax to pay on an estate that size. I can't see how making a deed of variation will make any difference at all tax wise.

LightDrizzle · 09/08/2022 23:42

If you are hoping, as you reasonably might, that giving your brother 125k will make him happy and lose his resentment of you, please let me disabuse you. That very rarely happens. You and your family will lose 125k and he’ll still resent you.

I’d give brother 20k and he’d be lucky at that. It is possible that your parents may skew their own Wills in favour of your brother so bear that in mind. It isn’t random luck that landed you this inheritance. You were the only one who made any effort with the poor sod.

I’d give your parents nothing. They are comfortable and sound like a pair of twats.