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To think Britain is pretty backwards with breastfeeding?

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Bluffysummers · 08/08/2022 19:56

I just had an interesting experience (month or so ago) and I’ve been left pondering is it just the UK that pretty backwards with regards to attitudes towards breastfeeding?

as needs must, ive fed both of my kids in public, as discreetly as I can but both kids hated nursing covers, I do prefer a breastfeeding room but ones not always available and when a kids gotta eat a kids gotta eat. in the UK I’ve for sure had quite a few looks and tuts but the head scratcher for me was on hols.

so in Disneyland Paris, a real melting pot of cultures as we know, visitors from around the globe. Fed baby from numerous locations around the park, sat next to Italians who struck up a conversation (no second glance or funny looks) smiles from french people who’ve told their kids to sssh to not distract baby from milk (I speak french and broken Italian so that helps lol. Chatted to some emiratis and Turkish people whilst feeding no second glance or anything weird. No one batted an eyelid until we went to a restaurant In Disney village, and was sitting behind a young British couple. Baby needed feeding, so feed, well the woman (mid to late 20s) hit the roof and demanded the waiter reseat her, he said there were no more tables, she proceeded to tell him she felt physically sick by what was happening behind her, and asked if she could have rest of the meal to go and a dessert to go. The waiter was baffled, and asked why, and said they didn’t have takeout boxes. She got huffy and left half of her food and walked out. I can assume she thought I was french as obviously speaking to waiters in french. After the left, the waiter gave me a wink and said it was a ridiculous attitude.

but it got me wondering , is it just us Brits that are a bit backwards breastfeeding wise? I know my holiday is hardly an academic study but no other group of people seemed to react . I’m on a few social media bf groups and there are so so many posts of discrimination and nasty comments. So what do we think? Is it a UK problem?

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Lostlostlost3 · 08/08/2022 20:55

Breastfeeding attitudes in the UK can be bizarre. Proven by several posters jumping on the OP for starting this post saying she is "nothing special" for breastfeeding her child.

Not really the point the OP was making, but kind of proves her point regardless.

Anyway, OP I think you are bloody special for breastfeeding your child. Bloody well done 👏

(Mum of two, one bottle fed exclusively and one breast fed. Breast feeding is a bloody commitment and mothers should be commended for it).

MercuryOnTheRise · 08/08/2022 20:58

My children are nearly 30. I failed to breastfeed my son. I had infective mastitis, a breast abscess and later, may years later, realised the toe-curling pain after feeds must have been due to thrush of the inner breast tissues, probably not helped by three courses of anti-biotics.

These were some of the comments I received:

Ante-natally: "every woman can breastfeed; it's completely natural and what breasts are for; if women say they can't it's psychological. Chelsea & Westminster ante-natal class - said by a midwife.

Post natally: "you have given yourself a problem, all babies need is 10 minutes on each side every four hours - that's enough". Middle aged out of hours GP in Wandsworth.

"oh, you say you think you have flu - well don't worry about the baby, he'll have anti-bodies and you can't give it to him" Post natal ward at St George's Hospital, which mothers were told to ring if they encountered any problems. The midwives had given me a day off. 12 hours later resulted in the house call from the dipstick Dr above.

"if your nipples are that sore, you should wrap yourself in a blanket and sit by the fire" HV in Wandsworth - she was 23.

When I called again in desperation "well there's no point calling me because I'm not an expert, why don't you phone the NCT?". Same HV as above - and that point I was utterly, utterly desperate to be out of pain and to be given permission to stop feeding.

"You can take paracetamol before a feed to take the edge off", followed at the next call with "it's so important to succeed at breastfeeding, I'm going to give you the number of the lady who sorts out the electric pumps for the ladies with really premmy babies, that might help your nipples rest" NCT Wandsworth.

The lady who sorted the electric pumps came. I cried all over her. She realised I was unwell and in extreme pain. She sorted me out with an electric pump and then went to the chemist and with her own money bought me two bottles and a tub of Milupa. Then she showed me how to sterilise (because other hcp's had made me terrified of poisoning my baby), make a bottle and feed a bottle to a baby.

Within 24 hours I felt human again and the baby was so contented (I'll add I think my problem was too much rather than too little milk and the baby gained well from day one). Physically I recovered quickly; emotionally it took anti-depressants and therapy.

The reason women in the UK don't have high rates of BF is due to almost non-existent support. I believe it is better nowadays and am glad that the HCP mantra has become more of a mixed economy. There was never a time when all mothers could breastfeed perfectly and in fact maternal death rates 300 hundred years ago were higher due to mastitis than they were due to puerperal fever. The only babies who survived those deaths of their mothers were those whose infants had died already who could be hired as wet nurses.

Nearly all mothers in my social circle breast fed nearly 30 years ago; except as time rolled on some admitted they didn't actually but wouldn't have said they had given up due to the external pressures.

Mothers should be facilitated to make choices and not be made to feel inadequate as a result of those choices by other women; whether they are HCPs or not.

I think it's interesting that the health professionals are coming round to choice 30 years on and at a time when there are far more lactation consultants and people who are professionally trained to support the skill of breastfeeding than there then. Supporting breast feeding is a whole lot more than reading from a leaflet.

Back to the OP. I can only assume the 20 something in the restaurant was an ill-educated nincompoop. May I please implore you not to think of her as an example of the average British woman.

Cactusprick · 08/08/2022 20:59

Lostlostlost3 · 08/08/2022 20:55

Breastfeeding attitudes in the UK can be bizarre. Proven by several posters jumping on the OP for starting this post saying she is "nothing special" for breastfeeding her child.

Not really the point the OP was making, but kind of proves her point regardless.

Anyway, OP I think you are bloody special for breastfeeding your child. Bloody well done 👏

(Mum of two, one bottle fed exclusively and one breast fed. Breast feeding is a bloody commitment and mothers should be commended for it).

Very well said

Hugasauras · 08/08/2022 20:59

@AnneLovesGilbert makes some good points. When I was in hospital 7 weeks ago having DD2, the woman in the cubicle opposite me was talking loudly on the phone to a friend or family member saying she was formula feeding because she 'didn't have any milk'.

She'd had the baby earlier that day, same as me, and no one had apparently told her before birth or since that of course she doesn't have any milk six hours after the birth! But she was now formula feeding and probably now tells people that she couldn't BF as she had no milk, when what she had was apparently no information about what to expect.

WonderingWanda · 08/08/2022 21:00

I breastfed both of mine and never got looks or comments from people in public but did have one acquaintance who thought it was disgusting. I found her attitude bizarre, she used to leave the room and said it made her feel sick. I really wished I'd told her I'd found it pretty repulsive that she smoked throughout her pregnancy.

Wouldloveanother · 08/08/2022 21:01

I, too, was baffled about ‘where my milk was’ until my 80 year old nan phoned to tell me ‘you’ll wake up tomorrow looking like whatsername, on Page 3, Jordan’

KarenOLantern · 08/08/2022 21:01

I breastfed my baby for 12 months in parks, cafes, pubs, trains and churches and never had so much as a second glance.

That said, a friend of mine did have a similar experience to yours in a coffee shop. IIRC she was in the queue and her baby was crying so a young couple complained about the crying. Then she sat down with her drink and started breastfeeding and they loudly complained about that too. 🙄🙄 So these idiots do exist, but I personally think things are way better than they were.

miltonj · 08/08/2022 21:02

ChampagneCharlieIsMyName · 08/08/2022 20:01

I breastfed my children in:
supermarkets , churches, video rental places etc…
You are not special for being a breast feeding mum!

I don't think she said she was?

tinygigolo · 08/08/2022 21:04

Oh wow, not RTFT but that's the opposite to my experience, I BF both of mine for years, no comments in the UK (or only positive) but I was BF outside a cafe in La Rochelle and I got politely asked to move inside where it was empty to avoid putting off the customers 😆

SillySausage81 · 08/08/2022 21:05

Hugasauras · 08/08/2022 20:59

@AnneLovesGilbert makes some good points. When I was in hospital 7 weeks ago having DD2, the woman in the cubicle opposite me was talking loudly on the phone to a friend or family member saying she was formula feeding because she 'didn't have any milk'.

She'd had the baby earlier that day, same as me, and no one had apparently told her before birth or since that of course she doesn't have any milk six hours after the birth! But she was now formula feeding and probably now tells people that she couldn't BF as she had no milk, when what she had was apparently no information about what to expect.

That is absolutely shocking. I hope she was just a one-off that slipped through the net, and the hospital doesn't treat everyone like that. When I had my first 2 years ago the midwives were all brilliant at coming round regularly and making sure I was getting on alright with the breastfeeding, and helping out with the slightest of issues. All new mothers and babies deserve that level of care.

Axahooxa · 08/08/2022 21:05

In Cyprus a doctor gave me antibiotics for mastitis and then drugs to dry up my milk as he felt a year was long enough to breastfeed. No conversation; he just prescribed it.

In Greece a friend (medical doctor) openly laughed about me feeding my babies past 6 months.

JaninaDuszejko · 08/08/2022 21:05

Having BF 3DC I would say the majority of Brits are positive or neutral about BF but those that aren't are vocal. A friend of mine received a lot of abuse from 1 woman when BFing her child on the train but the rest of the passengers and the staff were very supportive and kind.

Darbs76 · 08/08/2022 21:07

What a weird OTT reaction. I fed my middle child until 8 months (didn’t work out with 1 and 3!). I never had any comments or weird looks. Well maybe I got a few looks but I didn’t pay much attention. I usually fed him in a feeding room but now and again had no choice but you can’t see much if done discreetly. I do think the U.K. has much lower rates of BF than the continent. Not sure why, some women have a weird sexualised attitude to breasts, I’ve heard friends make a comment and found it odd. Only one of my friends breastfed, which I found odd too but each to their own

Mummyme87 · 08/08/2022 21:10

You are not wrong, there is still a lot of misunderstanding around breastfeeding and how it works.
its more accepted in certain parts of the uk however. I am a midwife in sw London and over 90% of babies discharged from hospital are breastfed versus other parts where it’s around 60%. Doesn’t last however as there is a severe lack of support, cultural pressures etc.

redbigbananafeet · 08/08/2022 21:10

Britain or England? English and Scottish breastfeeding laws (and attitudes) are quite different.

Hugasauras · 08/08/2022 21:13

@SillySausage81 I was really surprised none of the midwives challenged it, they just kind of said 'oh okay' and left her to it. I fortunately didn't need help this time but with my first daughter they did spent a lot of time helping us, so I'm not sure why this woman slipped through the net. It was overnight at a weekend is the only thing.

Of course perhaps she had been offered help before I arrived on the ward and had declined, but she repeated the 'no milk' thing to everyone she spoke to 🤷‍♀️

surreygirl1987 · 08/08/2022 21:14

If anything, it's bottle feeding that's got the stigma!

I breastfed literally everywhere, and didn't even bother to cover up as my oldest boy didn't like it and cried. I swear nobody batted an eyelid, ever. I'm not one to put up with idiots, so would have been ready to argue with anyone who had a problem with me breastfeeding, but no never. There's always going to be random weirdos who have a problem with something.

As a PP said you’re not special for feeding your baby, it is literally no one else’s business! I promise no one gives a shit.

Yep.

Bluffysummers · 08/08/2022 21:15

redbigbananafeet · 08/08/2022 21:10

Britain or England? English and Scottish breastfeeding laws (and attitudes) are quite different.

I know breastfeeding is protected in English law you can bf anywhere, not sure about scotland or Scottish attitudes. My experience and reading seems to be from people from England and Wales. The lady in question was definitely English, couldn’t make out a region from her accent, it was quite neutral, so I’m guessing south-ish? But I’m terrible with accents unless they are the slap you in the face kind

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Housenoob · 08/08/2022 21:15

I'm still breastfeeding my just turned 1 year old. Never had a single comment or disgusted look from anyone in public. Planning on stopping soon mainly because she doesn't really have much anymore anyway, more just a quick feed first thing in the morning and last at night.

I always planned to breastfeed, as it's just a natural thing mammals do, and also it's cheaper and less faffy! But I promised myself that if it was too difficult for whatever reason I wouldn't beat myself up and would be OK with FF.

I was lucky to find it really easy, but I can see why so many people give up quickly. There's just no decent support available.

Bluffysummers · 08/08/2022 21:16

surreygirl1987 · 08/08/2022 21:14

If anything, it's bottle feeding that's got the stigma!

I breastfed literally everywhere, and didn't even bother to cover up as my oldest boy didn't like it and cried. I swear nobody batted an eyelid, ever. I'm not one to put up with idiots, so would have been ready to argue with anyone who had a problem with me breastfeeding, but no never. There's always going to be random weirdos who have a problem with something.

As a PP said you’re not special for feeding your baby, it is literally no one else’s business! I promise no one gives a shit.

Yep.

Thing is though.. the odd few clearly do have a lot to say about it on both sides of the fence, so some people really do care

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KateRusby · 08/08/2022 21:17

3WildOnes · 08/08/2022 20:01

I fed all of mine for over a year. I've fed them all in public without a cover and never received any rude comments or looks that I am aware of. At the playgroup I attend there were three if us feeding toddlers aged 2. Pretty much everyone breastfeeds where I live in SW London.

Same here. Never had a look or tut and in fact had many encouraging comments. Know plenty of people who fed past 1 year in public. There isn't any up to date info on bf rates in the UK and they are likely higher than the last set of data. I'd say only 5% of mums I knew bottle fed and well over 50% were still breastfeeding at 12 months.

CandyLeBonBon · 08/08/2022 21:18

I've breastfed 3, for over a year each, all over the place and have never received so much as a sideways glance from anyone and this was 13-20 years ago. Unless things have gone drastically downhill I think you just encountered a dickhead.

MeenzAmRhoi · 08/08/2022 21:19

Going to add Germany to your list. Breastfed here for just under 2 years, and never got so much as a disapproving glare out in public. On the contrary, I had people say how great it was and give me reassuring smiles.
Funnily enough, DH's family (Germans) and our European friends have all been hugely supportive of breastfeeding, happy for me to do it wherever and not blinking. It was MY family who criticised me still feeding my son past 6 months.

I know it's only my personal experience, and I never breastfed in public in the UK as I never got back due to COVID, so I can't comment there, but I was always very comfortable in Germany and never had anything said to me.

StopStartStop · 08/08/2022 21:23

ChampagneCharlieIsMyName · 08/08/2022 20:01

I breastfed my children in:
supermarkets , churches, video rental places etc…
You are not special for being a breast feeding mum!

And on planes... everywhere I was, I fed the baby.

hellotheirsugar · 08/08/2022 21:25

I didn't BF my first 2 but fed my 3rd and will my 4th when she arrives.
I'm shocked at how little people chose to BF as it is the easiest and cheapest option aswel as "best for baby" non of my friends or anyone I know has BF before I'm the only one?
But I don't care. If baby needs to feed they feed no matter what or where.
I never used cover ups either. To much messing - I was discreet but if people want to look they will see a tit at some point? haha

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