To feel angry at Tory voters?

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DF has always voted Tory. He’s very anti immigration and we will never see each other’s POV.
DHs friends are all Tory voters and hate being with them as they are all racist, xenophobic & misogynistic.
Other Tory voters I know through work or extended family members are also xenophobic and casually racist.
I’ve spoken to friends about this and they agree that the Tory voters they personally know are also racist and xenophobic.
Why is this?
Me and DH lived abroad and as we've lived as ‘foreigners’, we don’t share their views.

People in France were dying of starvation whilst the rich lolled around...the nasty lefty politics changed that...hurrah!

Tbh OP Ithink.its probably you , rather than all.tory voters that are thick.
Why don't you go and live in China or North Korea if you're not happy in the UK, or how about one of the middle East counties where, as a woman, you wouldn't even be allowed to express your albeit very naive opinions

This kind of reasoning is a logical fallacy known as Anecdotal Fallacy.

"....where personal experience or a singular example is used to support an argument or position instead of compelling evidence. People often gravitate towards using their own experiences or those of people around them as evidence in arguments."

It often leads to a Hasty Generalisation Fallacy.

When people talk about Conservative voters, it's often with an England centric viewpoint where you simply don't know people in other parts of the UK vote Conservative for other reasons.

For example, in Scotland the Conservatives is the second biggest party largely backed in order to prevent a second Scottish independence referendum.

A fallacy is an error in logic and reasoning.

I haven't voted for a long time and don't follow politics, I'm genuinely interested, people say don't vote Tory but what does labour have to offer?

Better resourced public services, for a start.

The austerity drive is crippling the services most of us rely on, and driving millions into poverty.

I know very few Tory voters (6 that I know of), and they are constantly moaning about the state of the roads, the NHS, the schools etc. When I point out that they voted for this, they're all "Yes, but I didn't want this bit, or that bit" like they'd accidentally slipped a sweet they didn't like into a bag of pick and mix.

That makes me angry. When you vote, you're voting for the whole package. That's why voting is always a compromise, to some extent.

All the Tory voters I know are racist, too.

Yeah I saw that as well. It was interesting.

Id be pissed off if people kept having a pop at me based on something I hadn’t said (although thats very mumsnet 😀)

that poster seemed to think that left equals no money and tory equals minted 🤔

Whilst the general public might believe that authoritarian crime measures such as ‘stop and search’ are being instigated for the public good, there is at best, marginal evidence for their positive impact. At worst, most critical criminologists would argue that they are likely to increase crime by widening social inequalities because the police predominantly target minority communities for stop and search. I think, if I recall correctly, 3 POC are stopped for every 1 white male in London to search for drugs despite being statistically less likely to be carrying.

This is actually not a Tory or Labour specific issue - since Tony Blair, each party has promised more and more authoritarian measures each election, because promising to be ‘tough on crime’ is one of the main factors that wins an election. It is shameful (on the politicians side) that so many of us are influenced to support practices that restrict the freedoms of so many of our population. Boris Johnson’s last ditch effort to win public favour by promising more police funding and drug arrests last year is a good example of this.

I will probably always vote left, but sadly the Green Party and Lib Dems (which are the most inoffensive to me) feel like throw away votes.

OP were you aware of the candidates in the Tory leadership contest?

Rishi sunak
Kemi Badenoch
Suella Braverman
Sajid Javid
Nadhim Zahawi

What a bunch of racists eh?

Brown skinned people can be racist.

So is anti Semitism within the labour party not racism then? Is it exempt from that classification

I really think much of this narrative is induced by the current government. Many are absolutely broken hearted by how far the UK has sunk, since 2016 but, most recently, under Johnson. I come from a Labour voting family, I have always voted Labour (Lib Dem in European elections around here), my dad is a fierce Labour supported. Even he would say that there have been some decent senior Tories over time - Heath, Heseltine, even Major (though ineffective as PM). He couldn't bring himself to 'hate' any of them, because they were largely respectful, 'one nation' Tories who held their office with seriousness. He may have disagreed with many of their policies, but they didn't govern with hate and impunity.

Recent politics has given rise to intense feelings, more so than at any time since I turned 18 and was eligible to vote in 1997. This government under Johnson attracts the worst of the far right wing. They have behaved utterly appallingly in power and presided over what many believe is the worst political period in their history. Lots even believe that Johnson et al are worse than the Thatcher era.

Do I think that all Tory voters are as the op describes? No, of course I don't. But having seen the amount of damage - to individuals I know, to the less well off, to society in general, to politics itself - that has been inflicted on this country in the past 12 years, I do find the 'anyone but Labour' mentality infuriatingly opaque to comprehend. Labour have been in power for a fraction of the past 100 years, I simply do not understand how anyone could look at Johnson's government and believe they've done a good job.

And so, we see the kind of strong emotions articulated by the op. And we see the predictable inflammatory responses. We've been successfully pitted against one another - normal, friendly, law abiding, tolerant people engaging in the politics of hate, disrespect, intolerance. Johnson has done this, and he has surrounded himself with similarly awful people from Reece Mogg to Nadine Dorries.

Don't get me wrong. The anti-Starmer brigade seem equally intent on keeping the Tories in power and I am equally frustrated with them. History tells us that most people are centrists by nature. Centrist parties do well with the electorate and tend to promote more unity than those who lurch to the left or the right and create division. There's no such thing as 'perfect' policies, just 'best fit'.

I've met some lovely Tory voters in life, many are friends. Even they are turning away from this government, having seen their behaviour in power.

I don't dislike Tory voters. In the current climate, I simply don't understand how they can continue to prop up this immoral and corrupt government. And yes, it makes me angry as he'll. And those are the perfect conditions under which 'othering' and alienation thrives.

It's all such a massive shame for the UK. It's a horribly unsettling time.

You sound childish op. Would you prefer not to live in an open democracy, where everyone is free to vote for whoever they like as long as they vote the same way as you?
Blame Labour for Tories victories, for not being a strong enough opposition.

To assume all Tory voters are racist just because you know some that are, is as ridiculous as suggesting all Labour voters are anti-Semitic just because of Corbyn. You need to get out of your echo chamber a little and meet people who have different views to your own, you might learn something.

Brown skinned people can be racist.

I agree with you although many on here will tell you you are wrong.

But I don't think the racist Tory voters OP apparently knows are brown skinned.

Quite. It seems only right wing racism counts now.

A very subjective view OP. Why do you surround yourself with such people if you disagree with them so much! Pot and kettle come to mind

People on same lines as op are too myopic, as these type of threads show.

What am I wrong about?

I didn’t say that voters are stupid. I presented my observation that Tory voters seem unable to process or accept facts. In other words, when presented with evidence, it is not acted upon. Why that is is open to debate. You tell me what your reasons are.

One alternative explanation is that some Tory voters don’t come across these facts. Our media has a lot to answer for.

How much will taxes go up and for who? Or are we borrowing? Because I don’t want a debt to GDP ratio like Italy and the conservatives have already been bad enough on that score.

Minority ethnic groups can be white.