To feel angry at Tory voters?

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DF has always voted Tory. He’s very anti immigration and we will never see each other’s POV.
DHs friends are all Tory voters and hate being with them as they are all racist, xenophobic & misogynistic.
Other Tory voters I know through work or extended family members are also xenophobic and casually racist.
I’ve spoken to friends about this and they agree that the Tory voters they personally know are also racist and xenophobic.
Why is this?
Me and DH lived abroad and as we've lived as ‘foreigners’, we don’t share their views.

I agree blossoms about labour and the cost to reverse round now would be huge too - I think there will be a lot of negotiation and no I wouldn't be giving my strategy away now either only for the Uk media to tear holes in it

Starmer has already done a statement re Brexit

The media mostly left it alone more than anything

@MarshaBradyo I'm quite sure if Liz Truss can suddenly become a rabid leaver after being filmed being a strong remainer that Starmer might have a change of focus at some point!

Starmer has already done a statement re Brexit
The media mostly left it alone more than anything

They usually do if there isn't anything bad they can say about Labour.

Its a problem for them and why Blair needed the Murdock press to change perceptions.

Well, polling shows over 50% of all voters think Brexit a bad idea, with just 30% still agreeing with their choice

So presumably the Libdems will win the next election as they are, afaik, the only party which will reverse Brexit?

You know the answer to that.

However, i suspect the LD's will get many more seats next time around and thats important, don't you agree?

How do you propose Brexit is reversed?

Insurrection, hire Dutch mercenaries and blow the 'commons up?

We were talking about people (Truss Starmer) reversing their new found beliefs/positions not reversing Brexit.

This boomer didn't. A lot of younger voters, in the red wall areas, voted for Johnson to get Brexit done.

People vote for what they think will do them most good - young or older.🙄

That was only part of the discussion. The more I am reading these posts, the more I am respecting Starmer. No wonder he isn't popular.

@Mississipi71 He's popular with me- I think he's a very shrewd cookie but a very decent person too.

That would be pretty bad if he’s already tried to reassure voters he won’t

He wasn’t pressured to do a Brexit statement in fact it was mostly ignored and didn’t get cut through. But he has and I suspect he will stick to it

He often mentions respecting the democratic vote anyway

He has certainly seen what needs to be done regarding Brexit and improving trade relationships. I agree he is shrewd. He distances himself from attempts at division..very clever man.some of the senior Tories could learn a lot from him.

Nobody’s saying he’d reverse Brexit Marsha. What we are saying is that Labour’s Brexit could look substantially different to Johnson’s. The EU will be happy to negotiate with Starmer.

Yes folk would be wise to remember that there was no "what sort of Brexit would you like?" question on the ballot paper.

Though if you play back BJ's speeches on this, some in the commons, you d be forgiven for thinking not much was going to change.

They are the reason this country is in a mess, much less immigration.

They think they are a cut above the rest. They live in their protective bubbles, shaming anyone who happens to be different to them.

They really are an embarrassment to humanity.

Substantially different probably subjective but pre statement I was looking for any big changes on topics which are answered below

‘Setting out Britain’s relationship with Europe under a Labour government, Starmer will say: “With Labour, Britain will not go back into the EU. We will not be joining the single market. We will not be joining a customs union.” He will add: “We will not return to freedom of movement to create short term fixes.’

I didn’t hear speech and from commentary and lack of attention I didn’t seek it out. Just getting that para there’s seems to be a lot on veterinary and agri product and usual bumpf so I didn’t miss much

Very true, so much comes back to 10 years of Austerity, leaked documents showing how RAF recruits having to be re trained in their basic training because they are waiting so long to have flight training.
Fast jet pilots leaving the RAF for better paid defence jobs, training bases closed, private partnerships not working, equipment failures.

Then there is the position with Doctors leaving the NHS because of pension costs... FFS, this is an admin fix, could have been resolved an age ago but despite being raised long ago, still happening.

Levelling themselves UP, the rest of us Down.

I didn’t hear speech and from commentary and lack of attention I didn’t seek it out. Just getting that para there’s seems to be a lot on veterinary and agri product and usual bumpf so I didn’t miss much

Agri and Vet's isn't bumpf, its vital to our food production sector.

why do you think this speech was well reported in more moderate papers but as you say, ignored in the Tory supporting press.

So when people said Yes folk would be wise to remember that there was no "what sort of Brexit would you like?" question on the ballot paper.

Were they talking about agri it vet issues or did they think it was open to big changes? Because that sounds like they thought Brexit was very open still if under Labour.

Btw bumpf was separate to above if you read line again.

I got the sense pp thought he would bring substantial change but the list of what he won’t do is definitive.

It wasn’t reported much because it was a list of top line items he wouldn’t do and not much that’s interesting to people that he would.

I probably only heard about it as I listen to a politics programme a lot who discuss whether something has impact - to which they’d agreed it didn’t. I don’t think you can blame it on media for his approach.

It wasn’t reported much because the majority of the press is obsessed with the leadership contest and the only coverage it gives the opposition is when there’s something negative to report. That’s why there’s a constant stream of complaint that people don’t know what Labour stands for.

No it was bland.

His growth one was uninspiring too.

Besides your dates are out re obsession with candidate race - Boris Johnson's resignation as party leader on 7 July and speech was Monday 4 July

It gets reported just not much impact. Up to him and if Labour supporters prefer that approach.

Even his own party have mentioned the issue - to which he turned to jokes at PMQ which were cringey

Anyway fine by me if he doesn’t change but don’t lean on the media as his weakness.

Agree @Blossomtoes all we hear is 'we don't know what labour stands for'. It's an oft repeated meme with no substance. Simply go on to the LP website to read about possible policies, follow Starmer on twitter etc etc. Multitude of ways of doing research. How else do you find out about things normally (especially when the media is only interested in labour slip ups rather than positives).
And what do the tories stand for in that case if we are going down that route ?
Deceit, lies, corruption maybe.

If I was Keir Starmer I would actually say very little about policy and just let the Tory's blunder on- I would only state policy at an election after the Tory's had declared their manifest too- gives the right wing media less time to tear into it and take things totally out of context and the Tory's no time to Nick anything that seems popular with public. It's a shame you have to be sneaky but I'm afraid the current Tory's are very that way and will turn on a sixpence at any sign their voting public don't like something- .unfortunately with Brexit the Tory's have created their own issues by being so 'hard line' - as if it's very obvious that it becomes a real nightmare economically and logistically then they have no room for manoeuvre without looking incredibly inept and they've spaffed 400 billion plus on it

I think this is a great approach if you want to lose. Don’t broadcast anything but rely on people finding statements on your website or twitter

Going by posts on here it seems the Brexit statement was missed even by the mist loyal