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To feel angry at Tory voters?

740 replies

Dottodo · 02/08/2022 00:52

DF has always voted Tory. He’s very anti immigration and we will never see each other’s POV.
DHs friends are all Tory voters and hate being with them as they are all racist, xenophobic & misogynistic.
Other Tory voters I know through work or extended family members are also xenophobic and casually racist.
I’ve spoken to friends about this and they agree that the Tory voters they personally know are also racist and xenophobic.
Why is this?
Me and DH lived abroad and as we've lived as ‘foreigners’, we don’t share their views.

OP posts:
BobMunster · 02/08/2022 02:51

@theChickenDinner Well, aren't you a treat?

Seems like you're spewing some sort of vile hatred on both this and another thread. Unsure where such angry trolls as yourself come from but you can't be cheerful, that's for sure.

rnsaslkih · 02/08/2022 02:51

Your anger would be better directed at Labour - who thought that putting Jeremy Corbyn as party leader for a general election was a good idea. He was unelectable and pushed many to vote conservative. Would I trust a party to govern when they couldn’t even elect a suitable leader? No. Most people voted for the least bad option. I couldn’t bring myself to vote for either BJ or JC. So I didn’t vote.

SpaceGoatFarm · 02/08/2022 03:34

Right wing voters are less intelligent according to studies. Do people want others to lie about that?

Right wing voters are also significantly more racist, as everybody knows.

SpaceGoatFarm · 02/08/2022 03:38

Christopher Chope (tory mp) knows what a woman is, he knew so he could block legislation against female genital mutilation and sexual assault.

So does Phillip Davies (Tory MP), he knew when he blocked and called legislation which helped stop violence against women 'sexist against men'.

then again Stalin and Mussolini 'knew what a woman was'. Its not any sort of decent political argument.

MangyInseam · 02/08/2022 03:48

Midnightblack · 02/08/2022 02:50

I don’t think that the fact that the next PM will be Asian or a woman is a great testament to Tory diversity. There’s very little diversity of thought inthe Tory party and they are great ones for lip service.

It suggests that the OPs claim that they are all racists is not particularly obviously true.

It's interesting, I saw an old Ted Talk by Kemi Badenoch the other day, and one of the things she mentioned was that she was told that she should not join the Conservatives because they were racist. She actually found them quite welcoming.

As far as diversity of thought there are as many different types of conservatives as there are in any other political party. Possible they do less public in-fighting.

MangyInseam · 02/08/2022 03:53

SpaceGoatFarm · 02/08/2022 03:34

Right wing voters are less intelligent according to studies. Do people want others to lie about that?

Right wing voters are also significantly more racist, as everybody knows.

Studies on this are mixed and fairly complicated, there are quite a few different correlations between voting and various characteristics people have but they aren't terribly consistent.

Low IQ is fairly clearly linked to authoritarianism though, and black and white thinking, on both the left and right.

MrsTerryPratchett · 02/08/2022 04:15

You think conservative policies kill people, but not left policies? The French Revolution? Stalin?

Seriously @MangyInseam the French Revolution is the best you can do to critique modern Labour? Little bit of a stretch there.

ilovesooty · 02/08/2022 04:25

Hottytotty · 02/08/2022 02:13

OP says her DF - not her DH - is a Tory voter (but that DH’s friends are as well).
FWIW, I am a currently lapsed Tory voter (am a remainer/centrist so haven’t seen eye to eye since 2016), but have hung on as a party member purely to vote in leadership elections. I voted against Boris last time but am a bit stumped this time around as I am not really drawn to either candidate Confused.
I’m not racist (have close family members of various ethnicities, and have lived all over the world), and believe that immigration is essential to a successful economy, and that we owe a duty of care to refugees.

The party used to have decent people like you in it. The current face of the Tories is sadly very different.

Midnightblack · 02/08/2022 04:32

MangyInseam · 02/08/2022 03:48

It suggests that the OPs claim that they are all racists is not particularly obviously true.

It's interesting, I saw an old Ted Talk by Kemi Badenoch the other day, and one of the things she mentioned was that she was told that she should not join the Conservatives because they were racist. She actually found them quite welcoming.

As far as diversity of thought there are as many different types of conservatives as there are in any other political party. Possible they do less public in-fighting.

I don’t think that it does suggest that. That has a whiff of ‘I’m not a racist. I have a black friend.’ I think a party which advocates and wants to expand the Rwanda s heme is pretty shocking and I think it’s deeply disturbing that the likes of Patel and Badenoch, whose parents would have been vulnerable, are doing their best to pull up the drawbridge behind them. They all fall in line in the end, which is what I mean by not much diversity of thought.

Midnightblack · 02/08/2022 04:34

When I say ‘all’, I mean the ones currently in the Commons. I have a lot of time for Heseltine, Major, Clarke and Grieve. But they begged us not to vote this lot in, stating that they were more like the BNP. I think they were right.

Kitkatcatflap · 02/08/2022 04:44

What a snide, judgey post.

FOJN · 02/08/2022 06:31

Insulting people with different opinions is working out really well for the left. Perhaps OP is actually recruiting for the Tories?

Vikinga · 02/08/2022 06:34

Carlycat · 02/08/2022 01:09

Labour have lost my vote as they don't know what a woman is. They're forcing labour voters to the right with their misogynist far left politics. As a life long labour voter my next vote is Tory. At least they have the balls to stand up to woke identify politics

Bloody hell. This is going to be the new brexit.

Rinatinabina · 02/08/2022 06:50

Five quid says you are a Conservative HQ operative deployed to drive people away from Labour.

Maybebabyno2 · 02/08/2022 06:50

It's time to give Labour a go, that's what I think.

A loaf of bread would do a better job at this point.

Rinatinabina · 02/08/2022 06:54

I think you would do better setting out Labour’s policies and why they would be better than the current lot in a reasoned, rational and adult way. Perhaps use of some statistics and some facts.

TwoLeftSocksWithHoles · 02/08/2022 07:02

Personally I think it's all gone downhill a bit since the Romans left. The roads are certainly worse.

MyDarlingClementine · 02/08/2022 07:14

I always wonder at post's like theses. I have a very large family and social group and within that group people have voted all sorts of colours and have all sorts of belief's.

I've heard the odd misogynistic comment from different people who voted differently as well as some other unpleasant comments and plenty of charity and kindness also again from whoever.

The short story; with some life experiences and perspective you learn that how someone votes doesn't determine their character at all. They can very happily be a rascist , mean, money grubbing arse even if they vote ... labour.

Anothernamechangeplease · 02/08/2022 07:19

I don't think all Tories are racist. I do think a lot of them are, and a lot of the others are willing to turn a blind eye to it.

I think the vast majority of Tories tend to be motivated by what they perceive to be in their own self interest, rather than by what's best for society as a whole. This might be down to selfishness in many cases, but I think it's sometimes just ignorance about the fact that not everyone has the same opportunities as they do. They don't consider the needs of more vulnerable people because they're basically oblivious to the challenges that other people face, and because they believe that it would all be OK if everyone just worked as hard as they did.

And I do think that some Tory voters are just not very clever. But that applies to some labour voters too. Lots of people vote for stuff on the basis of really superficial stuff, like whether they would want to go to the pub for a pint with the party leader. They don't really know what they're voting for and why, so they are really easily swayed by glossy marketing campaigns etc.

BalloonsAndWhistles · 02/08/2022 07:22

Good for you. I think that Labour voters, in the main, struggle to see other people’s views and many are angry that they haven’t been elected in years. Get over it, they’re not wanted in this country.

lightisnotwhite · 02/08/2022 07:23

TinaYouFatLard · 02/08/2022 01:13

Left wing kindness and tolerance in all its glory.

This.
Half the reason Labour don’t get votes is because they always sound angry. The constant negativity is off putting.
Whereas even if they are saying it to cover up stuff ( mistakes or lies) the Tory’s still sound enthusiastic about their actions.
Who will people vote for ; one that says the countries fucked or one that says we’ll get through?

satur · 02/08/2022 07:25

I'm no Tory.

However...I know plenty who are casually racist as you say, and plenty who are not. I know just as many Labour voters who are racist.

Discovereads · 02/08/2022 07:27

I don’t agree with you OP that all Tory voters are racist, xenophobic abd misogynistic. I don’t think there is even a correlation despite the many smear campaigns.

But I am angry with the Tory party at this point. They’ve had three failed PMs over the past six years and I’m fed up with them bumbling from disaster to disaster for the country. I’m not so bothered by how they have a different conservative approach to governance, as I am by the corruption and incompetence.

HRTQueen · 02/08/2022 07:33

You are married to a man who isn’t particularly nice

as are his friends who just happen to vote Tory it doesn’t go hand on hand but if voting for one reason then they are not necessarily conservative in their beliefs but have support the line of immigration needs to be managed harshly which the Tories have certainly supported to win over voters it’s become central to their campaigns which has upset many Tories as the party has become a populist party

Labour were aware for a long time that many of their voters also held anti immigration views or certainly had views of immigration needed to be managed differently but they refused to address this and buried their heads in the sand it was a huge mistake for them

Butitsnotfunnyisititsserious · 02/08/2022 07:35

TinaYouFatLard · 02/08/2022 01:13

Left wing kindness and tolerance in all its glory.

Yep. Funny it's always the left that insult the other side. Many can't hold a decent conversation without throwing out insults. Really doesn't do them any favours when they're trying to sound superior.