To think Lineker should apologise for his tweet

[Margot78]

The idiot has put ‘the lionesses have only gone and done it and Kelly is England’s heroine bra none’. Why did he feel the need for a sexist quip about the goal celebration? So embarrassing.

I am not going to converse any further with you.

I don't know if you're a football fan @Margot78, but during the years when people sneered at women's football, it was common for idiots to say 'Are they going to rip their shirts off when they score, haha?' as if that would be utterly unthinkable for a woman because women are supposed to be demure and cover up. Chloe Kelly was deliberately subverting that - when she took her shirt off it was a massive 'fuck you' to sexism and misogyny because she was doing what any other footballer would do instead of thinking she couldn't do it because she was a woman. Sexist dickheads think women can only take their tops off to be sexually alluring, and Chloe Kelly was proving that we can take our tops off to celebrate a brilliant fucking goal and not give a shit what people think of our tits.

So it absolutely SHOULD be commented on - it was a really big moment for women's football because she did something that, for decades, has been part of a sexist myth that women's football isn't 'proper football'. It was sticking two fingers up at the idea women behave more decorously on the pitch than men. Lineker knows that, and that is what he is commenting on. It's not a 'haha, we saw boobs' joke at all. It's the opposite of that.

I think he’s deleted the tweet.

I’m not surprised. Your use of the old “you’ve got no sense of humour”, “women like you are why there’s sexism” comments have been exhausted.

Sliggt derail but Scott was shouting 'fucking prick' wasn't she? That's what it looked like.

@10hailmarys that is a brilliant post, thank you.

It certainly is brilliant. Also how sexist of Lineker to also have retweeted a brilliant female's post, knocking men's football. Fair play to him.

Yeah, it was “Fuck off, you fucking prick”

I'm sure it's pure coincidence that the action resulted in the Nike logo featuring prominently on every front page and all over SM 😆

Oh come on, stop splitting hairs.

You KNOW he's celebrating the fact some of the women are gay 'as well' as being women.

Quite possible. Are they official sponsors? If not, it's a great ambush marketing ploy! But even if not it hasn't done them any harm (sadly, as they very publicly support male-bodied people in female sport - I am not friend of Nike).

Well thank you. It's true that I'm more familiar with men's football but I know enough to understand that removing your shirt in celebration is a straight bookable offence, and that getting booked takes the edge off your game because from then on you know that one mistimed tackle means you're off the pitch, plus that your opponents know this too so you're in danger of becoming a target, and that your already exhausted team mates have to work even harder to cover for you.

As for citing Brandi Chastain, well that kind of illustrates my point - not just reckless but egotistical. I will concede that you do need a bit of an ego to be an athlete but, in a team game, you have to learn to keep it in check, no?

His tweet led to some vile responses from other men so I'm not surprised he deleted it.

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Jesus Christ!!! I'm embarrassed for you!

Po faced mumsnet looking to make something bad out of everything!!

What Kelly did was an act of celebration and rebellion, a fuck you to the get the ironing done brigade, a powerful moment.

Linekers word play pun is actually supportive of that...the best bar/bra none.

To reduce that to a (quoting the OP) "tit joke" is, imo, objectifying and sexualising Kelly's act.

If there's internalised misogyny I'd suggest its there.

Oh for Pete's sake; give me my pearls back and go and have another gin. 🙄

Christ it's like a Sun headline isn't it?

Agree that for such a humongous event it would have been way classier to stick to the ladies achievements. Class however isn't a thing I'd ever associate with Linekar though.

Well done Lionesses - I'm so bloody proud 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿

I met him at a corporate awards thing. He was compare and I was a winner (!) I was one of the only women in the room and he was sleazy as hell. Just seemed to think it was obvious I'd fall at this feet.

That's interesting, I didn't know that about him

I'm not a fan of Gary Lineker (I met him and thought he was rather unpleasant) but I can't feel offended about this. She ran around in her bra, he's referencing that. So what? People make fun of mke footballer's appearances all the time. And Linford Christie was always called "The Lunchbox" when I was growing up (because of his very large trouser bulge). I don't remember anyone complaining about sexism then.

I meant to say people make fun of MALE footballer's appearances all the time.

They probably shouldn't. Two wrongs don't make a right.

Yeah, 5 minutes from the end of second half of extra time is not something I'd worry about @Floisme

I'd forgotten about Lineker's shit @SpidersAreShitheads! He did get the piss ripped out of him mercilessly

This.

There was nothing inappropriate about her doing so (apart from the rules of the game and she was yellow carded for it in line with those rules as should happen to any player) and there's nothing inappropriate about referencing it because it happened.

I mean it's a bit of a groan joke but I don't find it sexist, a bra is a piece of clothing, no more or no less.

And I really hope this doesn't overshadow the amazing achievement of those women yesterday and of all those who have supported this happening in various ways - women, girls, boys and men.