To think that no one will give a shit about climate change when they're freezing this winter?

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Just that really. When we have a choice of spanking out £650+ in January for gas and electric or slowly freezing, will people will be less sympathetic to 'green' measures?

Will net zero go out the window when we realise how bloody miserable it is to live without modern comforts and there is civil unrest as a result?

YABU - Don't be ridiculous, climate change is the most important issue
YANBU - How true, I predict a riot

Won't wood burning stoves cause pollution if they become popular?

No car
No flights
No consumer goods
No waste

You forgot no meat and no dairy.

So no life, basically

They do and they are.

@fizzywat I'm sure no one has asked you to do it alone 🤦🏻‍♀️

but how do you think Governments do things?

why don't you want to help US go Green?

Yes. BUT things are likelyyto get much worse all over the world. It will be a matter of how much worse in each place. Very rich people will be hedging their bets with potential safe havens in various locations and because of its geography and climate NZ is an obvious one on their lists.

Won't wood burning stoves cause pollution if they become popular?

Wood burning is already the single biggest source of harmful small particle air pollution in the UK, producing three times more than road traffic. But let's bury our head in the sand and carry on contributing to rates of respiratory disease among people living in overcrowded, filthy cities.

We don't have one but obviously they are becoming more popular because of the huge cost of energy prices so I'm puzzled why this isn't really mentioned by the government etc

I don't think burying our heads in the sand is an appropriate solution. It is OK talking about PM2.5 particulates as being particularly harmful, but sand grains can also be harmful and breathed in can cause a nasty cough and chest infection. Once when in the Kalahari, I bent down and packed some sand firmly round my head only to be approached by a rampant ostrich later that afternoon. For me, placing ones head in the sand is not an appropriate solution to fight climate change.

Climate change means more extreme weather. Not that the winter will be milder. It might be harder and colder, there might be more storms and floods. None of which Britain is probably prepared for.
The same roads get flooded every time. The surface is not raised, no ditch is being dug, no permanent flood barriers are installed.
When something is blown over in a storm it is replaced with something identical.
Even though we have had more days with snow these last two winters our council has still not bought any snow plows so we still have to wait for the snow to disappear by itself.
I notice that a lot of posters seem to think: "it is only the other end of the boat that is sinking! My end is far from the surface, so I will be fine".
In case you haven't noticed: all the other planets in our solar system are not only far away and difficult to reach, they are also fixer-uppers.

I’m not sure which article you mean, or if you’re referring to cost of living and house prices

But that is partly due to those high end international buyers (house prices anyway) and they will not be hit by the same. It’s more an insurance buy anyway, I’m not sure how much time they spend there. It’s for future generations and just in case

A lot of people only pay lip service to climate change. If tackling it requires them to adjust their behaviour at all then it's out of the window (pardon the pun).

It's not that long since I read a thread on here where an MNer and her daughter were staying with MNer's father.

The father had the heating set a level which meant the granddaughter might need to wear a long sleeved top. There was post after post in the thread saying how unreasonable it was to not hike the heating up to suit the whims of MNer and daughter.

😂

I think holidays are the tough one. You get a fair few posts on climate change then same posters talking about holidays.

We do love them generally and they are hard to give up

Why do you have to give up holidays ?

You will likely have to fly less - holidays to Europe by train are great , but you will still be able to fly

You may have to do fewer short foreign city breaks as the train can take longer

@BullshitHunter 😂

It’s hard to take it seriously when those in charge don’t. Building 1000s of houses on green space, building on flood plains etc. they’re only interested when forcing those of us beneath them to inconvenience our lives without looking at their own.

I do what I can but rely on my car due to living rurally and working in community nursing covering a large area. Buses are fairly decent but it’s the time it takes to get anywhere and the nearest hospital is also 30 miles away. I’m not against electric but infrastructure is not there and they are too expensive for something similar in size to what I have. Reliance on my car will not change either especially with the continued push for
more hospital at home

I’m not sure which article you mean, or if you’re referring to cost of living and house prices. But that is partly due to those high end international buyers (house prices anyway) and they will not be hit by the same

It's this article (I'm sure it's one of many)

www.theguardian.com/world/2021/dec/25/trauma-dislocation-pollution-why-maori-leaders-want-control-of-the-south-islands-water

It appears that the current government and their divisive policies are ripping a seemingly once prosperous country and civilised society apart. I can't imagine any member of the elite wanting to live (or even invest) there. Unless they know something we don't

Why people still listen to the biggest hypocrites is beyond me.

I think this is a really weird thread, as the best ways of reducing energy costs are also the greenest... Framing it as an either/or is misleading.

That said, I am fearful that people are going to burn loads of (often crap) wood this winter, which will cause terrible lung/breathing problems in the short term for some, and longer-term problems for many more.

Link?

I wonder if you are basing this comment on how cold you might have felt at that temperature, with your personal tolerance of temperature, rather than how the small child might have felt.

Had she been warm enough in a long sleeved top then I doubt the thread would have existed so your account if it sounds far-fetched.

12 out of those 20 companies are state owned.....

.....you want the state to solve climate change? 🙄

12 out of those 20 companies are state owned.....

.....you want the state to solve climate change? 🙄

Huh? Have you actually read my posts? 🙄

I pointed out that because the largest polluters are largely state-owned Governments are profiting from it so that is why they don't take the necessary measures to solve it.

What is your point?

The state will get some redirection through tax incentives though and investment into greener options

U.K. based, not sure what other countries are doing

No I didn't bother reading ANOTHER climate change thread will a million pages of doom mongering posts.

It just made me LOL that anyone thinks more state is the answer to anything.

No I didn't bother reading ANOTHER climate change thread will a million pages of doom mongering posts.

It just made me LOL that anyone thinks more state is the answer to anything.

Why click on it and write a stupid comment then, that showed you didn't actually understand what posters were saying? 🙄

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