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Ukrainian guest …I’m not feeling comfortable

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CookieDoughKid · 30/07/2022 00:47

I’ve been hosting a Ukrainian mother and 15yo daughter since beginning of May. We get on ok although we live very different lives even before the war. She’s a SAhM and I’m a working mum full time. It’s been difficult for her to adjust because her husband used to do everything, such as banking, booking train tickets, appointments. It’s been a real learning curve having to stand on her own feet here. Fortunately she can speak some English so over time, I have been able to take a step back from supporting her on how to live in England. her dd will be taking GCSE exams next summer term.

My kids and her dd don’t like each other and don’t get on. The mother is a bit work shy in that she is very choosy about jobs being offered to her by the job agency. She does a week here or there. Nothing permanent or full time. She is not claiming UC after it was made apparent she would have to look for work or go back to work full time. Her husband is supporting her financially. I broached the subject of long term accommodation and the challenges of finding rent. I was surprised to learn they have 10000 USD saved, husband has a good job in software in Ukraine. They are prepared to rent but would rather not as they don’t want to ‘waste their money’. I know they’d rather go back home if the war was over.

I had pledged at the start to give them half of the £350 thank you money from Gov to be used as a deposit for their rent when they move on. That’s £150 a month I would give to them for the 12 months commitment. I keep £150. I know I don’t have to do it but I wanted them to feel like they have some longevity here without too much hardship. That was prior to me learning about their savings. With everything going on at home, me working full time, my two teens…I’m finding it all a bit much. The mother is lovely but so talkative and she’s always there. Sand my day is incredibly busy, I travel for work, I have my own children to look after.

what gripes me is that she also doesn’t pay a single thing or offer when I’ve said from the start she needs to sort it herself I’m talking about washing powder and sundries….she does pay her own food. I’m starting to resent the fact that she never offers to pay for dishwasher tablets, stationery paper, toilet roll, cling film, aluminium foil, washing powder, cleaning goods, kitchen napkins etc… It all adds up.

Come October, it will have been 6 months of me hosting. Would I be unreasonable to ask her to plan on moving out …I think I can tolerate them living with me to Jan 2023 (that would be 9 months in total) but she’s mentioned she wants to stay with me till next June so that her dd can sit her exams without interruption.

Should I ask for a household contribution? And what about the £150 a month I pledged? It’s not that I can’t afford it, I can but I feel I’m being taken for a ride.

she mentioned she wanted help in applying for UC housing benefit in the future which does not sit well with me knowing she is supported by her husband, has savings and is choosy with jobs?

fwiw, we both try very hard to get on. She’s helpful sith cleaning and so am I, and we have a good rhythm in sharing the kitchen etc. we don’t argue and we haven’t had any major spats.

it’s just that I am finding it hard to live with someone who is so different in outlook to me and living with us full stop. My dad was a refugee, he held down 3 jobs 7 days a week for a while and that work ethic is very strong in me (I don’t rely on my husband financially and never have but that’s my choice). I know if I was to live with someone not out of choice I would work really hard, and try to move out as soon as possible!

would like your perspective on this. I feel really guilty even thinking about asking her to move out but also, I feel they would have had 8 or 9 months free living so..isn’t that generous in itself?

OP posts:
CookieDoughKid · 07/11/2022 21:37

@Hazeleyez Thank you. We definitely have a plan and my guests are on their notice period now :)

OP posts:
Barb8889 · 09/03/2023 08:02

I feel for you… I hosted a Ukrainian mother and her 16-year-old son. They were from Lviv which as I found out much later was unaffected by the war. She was extremely work-shy, but knew all about and claimed every benefit going - Universal Credit, even Pip for her son (who apparently had a PTSD, but seemed very happy, chatting to and laughing with his friends on FaceApp using his latest IPhone). I work full time, the mother would never leave the house unless to go on a shopping spree, she kept putting the heating on all the time, also got a couple of electric fan heaters for their rooms (without my permission). Flew back to Ukraine a few times to have Botox and lip fillers… Out hosting relationship broke down after four months - I gave her a condition that she could stay for up to a year if she got a job. She’d refused, went to the council the following day and said I had made her homeless - hoping for a council house. I know she ended up at a BnB which she was unhappy about as started to look for new sponsors on FB a couple of weeks later. I was going to offer to host another family, but, after a careful consideration, had decided against it. I hope you will manage to get your home back very soon. Xx

StripyHorse · 09/03/2023 08:28

One thing I would ask you to consider is whether they are likely to be able to find housing in your area.

If not, it will mean a change of school for her DD. In this case, Jan 2024 is going to be more disruptive than them moving Jul / Aug ready for the new school year in Sept. This is a conversation you probably need to have well in advance. Moving just a couple of months before exams (in a foreign language, which is already hard enough) is going to be particularly tough.

StripyHorse · 09/03/2023 08:30

Sorry, realised this is an old thread and you are sorted.

OnAPostItNote · 09/03/2023 08:33

Charlieiscool · 30/07/2022 01:29

She needs to go. This is untenable and really unfair on your children. She can work or claim UC or stay on her arse supported by her husband back home or some other person willing to do it, her choice and not your responsibility or problem. The fact is you are kind and she is taking advantage of you. I host a Ukrainian guest myself, she has found work and I’d never put up with the situation you’ve described. What a bloody cheek being too idle to work or even claim UC and not contributing financially for things she uses. As for pledging all that money - it’s up to you but you’ll be out of pocket for no good reason. Wake up and smell the coffee.

All this. Well said

WhereIsMumHiding3 · 10/03/2023 18:44

StripyHorse · 09/03/2023 08:28

One thing I would ask you to consider is whether they are likely to be able to find housing in your area.

If not, it will mean a change of school for her DD. In this case, Jan 2024 is going to be more disruptive than them moving Jul / Aug ready for the new school year in Sept. This is a conversation you probably need to have well in advance. Moving just a couple of months before exams (in a foreign language, which is already hard enough) is going to be particularly tough.

OP doesn't need to consider this. It's not her responsibility . She's already been kind enough to host someone. And has given notice as the scheme is not set up to host someone indefinitely. She's done so after what appears to be 10 months. The scheme asks for a 6 month commitment initially but of course sometimes it breaks down & someone may be asked to vacate earlier.

There are Ukraine resettlement specialist workers in most local borough council housing teams, who support with finding accomodation and help out with deposit. Each local BC get a set amount of money for each HFU (Homes for Ukraine) family unit under that scheme.

ExhaustedMuch · 10/03/2023 18:52

Gosh. I've completely taken a different perspective to most people. Isn't the 350 quid from the government to be used for costs like that?

Also, kicking them out is mean. You took on refugees - you knew they could be anyone. That's part of the deal. Imo you'd be (sorry for the language or for being harsh) a right dick for doing that. The woman hasn't actually done anything wrong. She's a refugee, not a pauper. Being annoyed that she has money is petty. Would you want to blow your life savings because Putin had invaded England and forced you to leave?

pasta4metonight · 10/03/2023 19:04

Reading the horror stories on here about some guests, it's not surprisning so many people said they wouldn't host. I for one on here was slagged off for saying I wouldn't do it even if I had the room. Glad I didn't.

Rosenotred · 10/03/2023 19:11

ExhaustedMuch · 10/03/2023 18:52

Gosh. I've completely taken a different perspective to most people. Isn't the 350 quid from the government to be used for costs like that?

Also, kicking them out is mean. You took on refugees - you knew they could be anyone. That's part of the deal. Imo you'd be (sorry for the language or for being harsh) a right dick for doing that. The woman hasn't actually done anything wrong. She's a refugee, not a pauper. Being annoyed that she has money is petty. Would you want to blow your life savings because Putin had invaded England and forced you to leave?

£350 is pittance. How much do you spend on Gas, Electric and food alone?

The Gov are totally out of order by expecting others to house someone from a worn torn place. It's a complete joke we don't house our own on the streets never mind... the Gov have taken advantage of people's good will. What was the plan long term? From the Gov?

The Ukrainians should of been placed in hotels like the homeless was in covid.

ExhaustedMuch · 10/03/2023 19:41

@Rosenotred But the family pay their own food. So surely the amount covers it?

You are right about the government but that doesn't change the fact this is a real family, with real people. How would you like it, if it were you?

Rosenotred · 10/03/2023 19:52

@ExhaustedMuch I would feel bad of course. However that doesn't mean OP must do it forever more does it? What is the general plan? At the end of the day OP had GOOD intentions she clearly didn't realise what she signed up for and the Gov have exploited OP.... how do you feel?

I'm sorry but charity starts at home! We have a housing crisis here and lots of other issues. Wasn't it only last year people couldn't afford to feed their own kids in the summer holidays. I'm sorry to be blunt but is how I FEEL.

My child's father is Austrian born too and grew up in West Africa so don't think I'm being funny or anything. But OP is a victim because the Gov have taken advantage.

pasta4metonight · 10/03/2023 22:24

The government can hardly be accused of taking advantage, whilst it was generous of people to host they didn't have to. It was never a legal requirement.

Rosenotred · 10/03/2023 23:50

pasta4metonight · 10/03/2023 22:24

The government can hardly be accused of taking advantage, whilst it was generous of people to host they didn't have to. It was never a legal requirement.

Taking advantage of someone isn't a crime. It doesn't mean it isn't morally wrong. However if you hold that opinion regarding our government.... Well.

pasta4metonight · 11/03/2023 12:54

rose did you take in guests?

Yarboosucks · 11/03/2023 17:15

We have had Ukrainians staying with us for 11 months now. It is not always easy and sometimes I like to moan. But I don't feel taken advantage of by anyone; not them nor the government. We are currently preparing them to find their own place, helping then to understand what their budgets will be, how to improve their credit score, where best value rentals are, where to compromise and how.

I can understand why people who have not experienced this can be critical because threads like this present the more difficult experiences and much of the critical press is really only interested in using the scheme to criticize the government.

I think there are many who criticise because it allows them a justification for not taking in these people. No justification is needed of course, there was no obligation.

My only complaint is that why do we not have the same scheme for Syrians for example?

dadaca · 11/04/2023 19:09

you can ask money for all you share with them from toilet paper to electricity, gas. Write on the paper and let her know how much she has to pay. Dont ask her rent payment! But all she consume there she had to pay. Application for UC is simple. Do it online! She has the right to receive money, if she has less 16000 pounds saved.

Catza · 16/06/2023 18:14

You have no obligation to continue hosting them beyond 6 months period. I would have a conversation with her and say you’ve reconsidered your ability to host and will be leaving the scheme in October. This is plenty of notice for her and you don’t need to go into details as to the reasons.

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