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To take it back, people do need the obvious pointing out to them in the heat

214 replies

HeleenaHandcart · 18/07/2022 15:47

I’ve been thinking it’s all a bit Over the top, the heat fuss.

But no, some idiot at 3:20 pm walked their medium size dog pass my house (London, hot hot). Dog was very reluctant and she was totally confused as to why, pulling the lead.

My kids beat me too it,
12 yr old ‘it’s too hot for dogs! What are you doing!’
6 yr old ‘the pavement will burn his feet’

I mean a fucking 6 yr old, not dog owning or even having spoken about dogs and heat, and look and assess the situation.

I despair.

btw I left my dog owning scary neighbour to descend with full annoyance and resolve the stupidity.

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allboysherebutme · 18/07/2022 22:01

I can't say what I really what to because it would be deleted, some people are just plain selfish thick idiots who don't deserve animals.
I am getting up at 5 tomorrow to get my dog out very early before it gets too hot. X

MeMe3Spoons · 18/07/2022 22:03

You can't argue with stupid, it's infuriating.

OrangeBlossomsinthesun · 18/07/2022 22:06

At high temperatures the air is hot and you need to keep it out. I live in a country where its 40 in the summer. There is no fresh air at those temperatures, all you are doing is letting the hot air in and creating the same temperature inside as out.

PriamFarrl · 18/07/2022 23:15

SexyLittleNosferatu · 18/07/2022 19:09

It is exactly like that isn't it. What a spaff fest. Sanctimonious people falling over themselves to outdo each other. I've even seem people saying "stay safe" and now we have berating joggers for not "staying at home". Pathetic.

Meanwhile the rest of us just cracked on and went to work for 11 hours 🙄

Isn’t it just.

I was in a room with 29 6 year olds all day. Sorry but I’ve got to open the windows as per Covid rules.

Ponoka7 · 18/07/2022 23:33

TheFridayRabbit · 18/07/2022 18:56

Bus, taxi, walk, wfh. Anything other than put himself into clear danger.

Not everyone has the option to WFH. Walking would be just as dangerous. A taxi might not be affordable and the buses might mean more than one and standing in the sun.

Me and my BF are planning another holiday were we will be cycling. He is disabled and can't walk far, up hills etc, so we cycle. We've cycled before in these types of temperatures. Some of us go red easy, it doesn't mean that we aren't fine. Some of us choose holidays based on having these temperatures. I agree about pets and young children, but don't tell other adults to stop what they are doing.

HeleenaHandcart · 19/07/2022 09:01

FlatWhiteExtraHot · 18/07/2022 17:05

@HeleenaHandcart you and your children know nothing about the dog owner’s circumstances.

Has it even occurred to you that they might live in a flat and the dog needs to go out to do its business? Lots of dogs literally won’t “shit on their own doorstep” and need a little stroll to make them perform.

They might have been walking the dog to work with them so it wasn’t left alone in a boiling hot house all day.

They might, as someone said upthread, be off to the vet. How do you expect people to transport their dogs when they don’t drive?

Having children who are rude to adults isn’t clever or funny.

What a stupid post.

Maybe it needed the vet at 3pm, and prancing around like it was they could also treat the burnt paws too while it was there? If you needed medical treatment today and someone said ‘yes, but you’ll have to walk there in bare feet across hot tarmac with a fur coat on’ would you get the issue?

If you needed the loo and instead of walking across the grass nearby you were walked in the same circumstances you’d see an issue? You can relive yourself, but I’ll pick the long main road with the boiling concrete for your bare feet?

I hope you don’t own a dog.

My children weren’t aiming for clever or funny. The issue was obvious enough for a 6 year old to see, and it was distressing and without any humour to watch.

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Mangogogogo · 19/07/2022 09:10

fairgame84 · 18/07/2022 16:51

Plenty of people gave me dirty looks while I was walking my dog at 9am. What they didn't know was I was actually ealing him to his vet appointment which he needed to attend. The vet is 2 streets away so 5 minute walk from home. I'm half expecting a post on out local fb page shaming me.

Exactly. No one knows. Some people don’t have outdoor areas so need to pop the dog 2 mins down the road to pee or poop. People don’t know they’ve only just popped out when they briefly drive past bitching and crying about the fucking dog.

HeleenaHandcart · 19/07/2022 09:11

EducatingArti · 18/07/2022 19:32

Ok, so a bit of physics and biology here:
Heat can be transmitted by convection, conduction and radiation. To make the house as cool as possible once the outside temp is higher than inside, you absolutely should shut windows (reduces convection transfer) and draw curtains/blinds to reduce radiative transfer on any window where sunlight shines in directly ( light energy gets absorbed by furniture walls etc and is remitted as heat energy).
Then open windows at night time when the temp drops below internal house temp to cool the house down further.
So, why does it feel cooler to have a breeze? Our bodies sweat ( all the time even when we don't feel dripping with it) and as the sweat evaporates, energy is transferred from our bodies to the surrounding air, making us cooler. Moving air makes this process more rapid so we feel the cooling effect more.
However in terms of absolute temperatures, if it is warmer outside than in and you open a window, the room temperature will increase more than if you don't. Your body may deceive you about this because of the sweat evaporation in a breeze.
If you experiment using thermometers rather than how it feels you will see this is true.
Those saying use a fan if you want a breeze rather than opening a window are correct if you want the room to stay the coolest possible.

That’s kind of where I’ve been. My logic was yesterday there was a breeze, and the temperature inside/ outside was pretty similar. The breeze made it feel better, whilst I was aware it may be really a tiny bit warmer. Like in the shade the air temperature is the same, but with the breeze and being out of direct radiation I feel better.
Yesterday I opened windows with partly closed curtains all over the house, because it felt better for me having a breeze in the house. It was breezy. Even if it was a feeling and not exactly ‘true’ that I was cooler.
Isn’t going with feeling logical.

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Mangogogogo · 19/07/2022 09:11

Also, everyone in Spain had dogs. Warm pavements. Never seen a dog burn it’s paw pad.

keeping English dogs inside cos they aren’t acclimatised, very sensible. The rest is absolute hysteria

HeleenaHandcart · 19/07/2022 09:14

Mangogogogo · 19/07/2022 09:10

Exactly. No one knows. Some people don’t have outdoor areas so need to pop the dog 2 mins down the road to pee or poop. People don’t know they’ve only just popped out when they briefly drive past bitching and crying about the fucking dog.

Conflating a 9am walk with a 3pm is just obtuse. At 9am any of us could walk barefoot outside. Try it at 3pm.
There was a more than 10c temperature difference at that time. I’d hope people get the difference, and the difference between a surface that is safe or unsafe

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HeleenaHandcart · 19/07/2022 09:15

www.theolivepress.es/spain-news/2020/06/28/how-murcias-cool-streets-technology-helps-prevent-pets-burning-their-paws-as-temperatures-rise-across-spain/amp/

Seems the Spanish dogs don’t have super paws either

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riesenrad · 19/07/2022 09:16

OrangeBlossomsinthesun · 18/07/2022 22:06

At high temperatures the air is hot and you need to keep it out. I live in a country where its 40 in the summer. There is no fresh air at those temperatures, all you are doing is letting the hot air in and creating the same temperature inside as out.

I think it depends if you have dogs and/or smelly teenagers ;) And obviously you need to open a bathroom/toilet window after going to the loo.

It was hot last night but it would have made no difference whether the windows were closed or open during the day. There is a huge temperature difference between the ground and first floors of my house (which works the other way in winter when it's nice and warm upstairs but cold downstairs).

Went out to get the paper this morning around 8am, saw one runner and two people walking their dogs on the pavements and not in shade.

riesenrad · 19/07/2022 09:19

Suzannetakesyoudown1 · 18/07/2022 19:29

If you’re very fit, running in the heat can be good training.

It can, but you should still save it for the mornings and evenings. No elite runner would put themselves in harm's way by going out at 1pm when it's 35 degrees. Unless it was an actual race (and the organisers usually try to adjust the start times so it is as cool as possible - eg yesterday's womens' marathon at the World Athletics Championships in Oregon started around 7am).

OrlandointheWilderness · 19/07/2022 09:27

I open all the windows and patio doors at about 5.30/6am until 9 when the temp starts being hotter outside. Then house is on lockdown with windows shut and curtains/blinds closed and fans running. Then open again about 9pm.

Octomore · 19/07/2022 09:43

I did a strength workout in the garden at 7:30am this morning and my DH went for a short run at the same time. It was very warm, but fine. I'm fit, made sure I was hydrated, and would have stopped if I'd needed to.

No way I would have attempted the same thing at 3pm. It's common sense - exerting yourself at the hottest time of the day is pretty stupid, and athletes in hot countries do not do it.

Octomore · 19/07/2022 09:45

And yes to keeping curtains and windowss closed once the air outside is hotter than inside. Where I am, that was at just after 8am today.

BruceAndNosh · 19/07/2022 09:46

onlywhenidream · 18/07/2022 16:32

You need the heat out

You only have windows open when it's cooler outside than in

If the sun is on the window you also close curtains and blinds

BBC website said that drawing dark curtains may make room warmer.
Ive kept spare room curtains shut and it's roasting in there!
We've got a faint breeze so I'm leavi g them open

JubileeTrifle · 19/07/2022 09:58

The window closed thing doesn’t work for us. Our house is very warm and we have triple glazing. Curtains and windows closed just makes the house an inferno. Although again it might be that we also have dark curtains and the windows at the side of the house/bathroom have no coverings.

I have windows/doors opened and curtains mostly closed downstairs at the moment and it’s fairly cool as there is a small breeze coming through.

PearlClutch · 19/07/2022 10:13

JubileeTrifle · 19/07/2022 09:58

The window closed thing doesn’t work for us. Our house is very warm and we have triple glazing. Curtains and windows closed just makes the house an inferno. Although again it might be that we also have dark curtains and the windows at the side of the house/bathroom have no coverings.

I have windows/doors opened and curtains mostly closed downstairs at the moment and it’s fairly cool as there is a small breeze coming through.

Yep, dark curtains will absorb heat and radiate it out. Shading externally, or white paper on the window will help reflect light back out - you can get reflective window film that helps, too. There are variables depending on window performance, etc!

SunflowerGardens · 19/07/2022 10:16

neverbeenskiing · 18/07/2022 16:03

YANBU. I have seen several prams with muslins draped over them today and pre-school age children with no hats on.

Tbf my baby refuses to wear a hat. We don't go out in extreme sunshine but if it's sunny at all I have to sun cream her entire head 🤦🏻‍♀️

bluenameblue · 19/07/2022 14:36

LauraChant · 18/07/2022 16:09

I just saw someone out jogging...at least I assume that is what they were doing, running along in sports gear with a bottle of water, I suppose they could have just been running to get somewhere quickly and happened to be wearing sports shorts and top. Still pretty hot to run whatever the reason!

that might have been me. I was running for the bus and just couldn't stand walking slow in the heat. wanted to get out of it as fast as I could.

Also pre schoolers not wearing hats, can't getine to keep one on. I don't know what you're supposed to do when they throw it off every time.

pd339 · 19/07/2022 14:52

Well I went for a run this morning, despite the amazement of so many people on this thread that anyone would do such a thing - I'm not an idiot, I know what I'm doing, and I enjoyed it. Why can't anyone mind their own business these days?

Mellowyell292 · 19/07/2022 15:34

ZooMount · 18/07/2022 16:20

I agree with the dog walking on pavements as that will damage their paws, but if people want to go running or sitting out in the sun in this heat that's their business surely? Each to their own!

Except its these idiots who end up clogging up A&E when they start with sun stroke. My BIL being one of them!

Quackpot · 19/07/2022 15:59

I saw a couple today sit down with an ice cream each and nothing for their dog. Poor bugger was panting on. 30 degrees at that point. Only a tiny dog too. Like a chihuahua or something but really hairy.
We were literally outside the ice cream shop that sold bottled water and would have given them a tub to put it in. I went in bought a bottle and asked for a tub and they gave me one, I watered their dog and they just gawped at me like I had 2 heads. Not a thanks or anything

easyday · 19/07/2022 16:50

You realise that this is quite normal temps in a lot of countries, people do go about their business there (which includes running) and some people enjoy the sun and heat?
Not condoning dog walking and there was a thing on Radio 4 saying do NOT drape something over a pram, but if someone chooses to sit out or go for a run that's their decision.

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