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Don’t want to “make friends” with neighbour’s dog…

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randomdogfriend · 16/07/2022 18:58

NC for this. Sorry it's long!

Small backstory: Neighbour has a yappy dog that never stops, it comes right up to the fence in our back garden and barks incessantly whenever any of us go into the garden. It also barks at passers by on the street - it literally follows them along the fence yapping incessantly as they walk down the street. Neighbour does very little to address this - the occasion half hearted “stop that (name of dog)”, but it doesn’t listen to her and she doesn’t physically remove it. Last year I had a word with the neighbour about this through the fence - the barking was so bad it was upsetting my then newborn aged baby as we sat in the garden. She argued back with me and was generally unpleasant, so I threatened to report her if it didn’t stop. This was around 12 months ago and I’ve had no interactions with her since. The dog has done its usual nuisance barking at the fence when we’ve been out in the garden but I’ve largely tried to ignore it, and now that DD is a bit older she isn’t as startled or bothered by it. So we just largely ignore now.

Today I took DD (now 15 months) out in the garden to play. I sat on the grass relaxing whilst she played. Yappy dog approached the fence as per usual, but we were far enough away from the fence that I could mostly tune it out and just focus on playing with DD. DD didn’t seem remotely bothered by it either. I was then aware of neighbour approaching the fence and heard her say “oh are you saying hello (dogs name)?” Dog continued to incessantly yap. I ignored and continued to play with DD.

Next thing I heard “excuse me can I talk to you?“ through the fence. The fence is too high to see over it, and you can just about make out a person through the slats but I couldn’t really see her. I said “sorry, do you mean me?” (Not really able to see anyone at this point, just a shadow through the fence, and I was also sat a good few feet away from the fence. She said “yes”. I said “erm, yeah I suppose, I can’t see you but I can hear you”. She said “I’m sorry my dog barks and annoys you”. I replied “that’s ok” and then continued to engage with DD who was toddling around (so my attention was more focussed on her and I honestly didn’t want to have any interaction with anyone else at that point). I was hoping this would end the conversation. She continued: “if you made friends with her, she wouldn’t bark at you”. I just again decided to give a one word answer in the hope she would disengage from me as all I wanted to do was relax and play with DD. I replied again “right, ok”. She then continued… “if you made friends with her she wouldn’t bark and then you wouldn’t complain, would you”.

At this point I got irritated as she was pushing an unwanted conversation and also implying I had “complained” when I’d had one interaction with her about this a whole year ago where I’d threatened to complain but not followed that through, and also not mentioned the dog to her since.

I replied: “I just want to enjoy my garden with my DD. I don’t want to have to make friends with a dog through the fence. If your dog is barking constantly it’s because you aren’t training her properly, and that’s up to you to address. It’s not down to other people to make friends with your dog”.

It was more than I wanted to invest in the interaction but to be honest she had annoyed me by that point.

She then said, randomly, “how old is your daughter now?” I replied with her age. In between I was playing with DD and interacting with her, hoping neighbour would get the hint that I didn’t want to engage with her. She then said “what’s her name?” I replied with her name. Just one word answers to try to end it. She then said “ok. I just thought we could be friends that’s all”. Then she (presumably) walked off back to her house (like I say, limited visibility through the fence).

The whole interaction was just so random. Firstly I hadn’t commented on her dog, I was minding my own business and playing with DD. Also a whole year has passed since our last interaction so why approach me now? It would have made sense if I’d complained there and then about the dog, but I’d said nothing. I was just ignoring it as I usually do.

If it’s relevant this isn’t a next door neighbour as such. It’s hard to explain but we are a detached house and her back garden and mine back share a boundary fence. Our houses are nowhere near each other and are actually on separate streets. I am friends with my next door neighbour, by choice, who is lovely. I have no desire to be friends with this other neighbour or her dog.

Was I mean or unreasonable to not want to be friends with either her or her dog? When I'm in my garden I just want to relax and enjoy my garden and my daughter. Is this reasonable? Also, should random people be expected to befriend dogs, or is the onus on the owners to stop the barking regardless?

Any thoughts welcomed.

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vodkaredbullgirl · 16/07/2022 19:56

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Mythril · 16/07/2022 19:57

I mean, YANBU to chose to not engage with your neighbour if you don't want.

But she was trying to make peace, and of course interacting with the dog a few times may very well relieve the barking at you. So I'm not sure you've done yourself any favours here.

Sloebluewalls · 16/07/2022 19:57

It sounds like youre a grudge holder and she’s not ..

JesusInTheCabbageVan · 16/07/2022 19:58

I'm honestly amazed by these responses. What did OP do or say that was mean? Neighbour was unpleasant to her before. OP is perfectly entitled not to want to be friends with someone who was unpleasant to her, AND is now trying to blame her for her dog making a nuisance of itself.

hattie43 · 16/07/2022 19:58

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Notanotherwindow · 16/07/2022 19:58

Doesn't make it less true.

randomdogfriend · 16/07/2022 19:58

@MiniMoosey

Have you read the OP?

She asked if she could talk, I said yes. She said sorry my dog barks at you, I replied "that's ok".

So no, you're wrong. I was very patient initially and replied with "ok" etc until she pushed and pushed, then I said the part about not wanting to befriend her dog and it's on her to train it.

So my first reply to her was in no way shitty. It's not my fault she can't read social cues and disengage when it's clear someone doesn't want to talk to them.

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randomdogfriend · 16/07/2022 19:59

JesusInTheCabbageVan · 16/07/2022 19:58

I'm honestly amazed by these responses. What did OP do or say that was mean? Neighbour was unpleasant to her before. OP is perfectly entitled not to want to be friends with someone who was unpleasant to her, AND is now trying to blame her for her dog making a nuisance of itself.

Thank fuck for sense!

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randomdogfriend · 16/07/2022 19:59

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Whereas you sound bloody lovely.

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donquixotedelamancha · 16/07/2022 19:59

I agree you should be polite and respectful to every one you meet - but as soon as someone is disrsepectful or rude to me I reposnd in kind

My daughter used to react like that to every perceived slight. She'd constantly say 'they started it' too.

You could try watching TV shows that have helped her like Bluey, Love Monster and Arthur. She also likes to colour when she gets angry.

MiniMoosey · 16/07/2022 20:00

I mean, rude people are usually oblivious toe hue rudeness so it’s no wonder you can’t see it.

DOBARDAN · 16/07/2022 20:00

Making friends with the dog isn't going to change the dog's barking behaviour
The dog isn't barking because it's unhappy due to nobody wanting to be its friend
She is barking to protect her territory, warning people off.
If you met the dog in a neutral place, such as a park, the dog wouldn't be barking like this.
Your neighbour was being unreasonable in laying the blame on you for not wanting to make friends with her dog.
Also they are lucky that you, and other neighbours, haven't reported the noise nuisance
She should at least quickly get the dog inside her property when it's causing a noise nuisance
The onus is on her to control her own dog

randomdogfriend · 16/07/2022 20:01

DOBARDAN · 16/07/2022 20:00

Making friends with the dog isn't going to change the dog's barking behaviour
The dog isn't barking because it's unhappy due to nobody wanting to be its friend
She is barking to protect her territory, warning people off.
If you met the dog in a neutral place, such as a park, the dog wouldn't be barking like this.
Your neighbour was being unreasonable in laying the blame on you for not wanting to make friends with her dog.
Also they are lucky that you, and other neighbours, haven't reported the noise nuisance
She should at least quickly get the dog inside her property when it's causing a noise nuisance
The onus is on her to control her own dog

More sense. Thank you!

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randomdogfriend · 16/07/2022 20:02

MiniMoosey · 16/07/2022 20:00

I mean, rude people are usually oblivious toe hue rudeness so it’s no wonder you can’t see it.

Person a said "sorry".
Person b said "that's ok" then goes back to doing what they're doing.

What's rude??

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BeerPongChampion · 16/07/2022 20:02

randomdogfriend · 16/07/2022 19:50

Genuine question to those who think I'm unreasonable: what would you have done or said differently? I repeatedly tried to end an unwelcome interaction, I didn't say anything rude or offensive. Just tried to disengage. So please do tell me what you might have done or said differently? Assuming you had no interest in being friends?

I don’t necessarily think you were unreasonable, you’re not obliged to be friends with anyone. But if I found the dog barking annoying, and was told that if I knew it, it would stop barking, then I’d ask what getting to know the dog would entail.

My friend lives next to a dog that barked when they first move in. The neighbour said as long as you use her name she won’t bark. Now she just has to say ‘hello Bella’ and she stops barking. Obviously if getting to know the dog meant having it live with you for a week, that would be too much. 🤣

Being ‘friends’ with the dog could be as simple as that and benefit you a lot.

Tablechairtable · 16/07/2022 20:02

I can see both sudes. Maybe shes had a rethink and trying to make amends? I wouldn't want a young child to try to be friends with a yappy dog who could potentially snap at her though. Think next time she's out there, say you appreciate her trying to be thoughtful but you'd prefer your child to stay out of the dog and maybe she could google as a trainer as the barking must get on her own nerves sometimes? You never know what someone else is going through and maybe last year or now isn't great for her. I can see why you'd be irritated by her attitude though.

SkyeBlue28 · 16/07/2022 20:02

YANBU
i agree with your view that it’s her responsibility to train her own dog, not yours.

randomdogfriend · 16/07/2022 20:02

She pushed unwanted conversation on me - I remained polite but brief. I wanted to play with my daughter not talk to her about her bloody yappy dog. That's not rude.

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Holly60 · 16/07/2022 20:03

You basically sound like you are reeeaaaalllly good at holding a grudge.

She tried to make amends, you shut her down. You do you.

MiniMoosey · 16/07/2022 20:04

randomdogfriend · 16/07/2022 20:02

She pushed unwanted conversation on me - I remained polite but brief. I wanted to play with my daughter not talk to her about her bloody yappy dog. That's not rude.

But you said yes when she asked to talk.

The dismissed anything that came out of her mouth. You should have just said you were busy.

RockinHorseShit · 16/07/2022 20:05

YABU as well as being very unpleasant. She was trying to resolve the situation the best way she could. You responded by being unkind for no reason at all. Poor woman.

Urgh another shite dog apologist/owner🤢

The dog owner has done nothing to resolve the situation other than not understanding her LEGAL responsibility & to train her friggin dog 🙄

randomdogfriend · 16/07/2022 20:05

Holly60 · 16/07/2022 20:03

You basically sound like you are reeeaaaalllly good at holding a grudge.

She tried to make amends, you shut her down. You do you.

Trust me there is zero grudge. To hold a grudge a person has to hold meaning to me, there needs to be an emotional investment in the relationship. There is nothing, nada. She's nobody in my world. Therefore I cannot possibly hold a grudge.

The crux of it is simple - I wanted to enjoy my time playing with my daughter in peace and she pushed her conversation on me. That irritated me. I don't want to be friends with her or her dog, or talk to her through the fence. I want to enjoy my garden with my child in peace. That's it.

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Alwayswonderedwhy · 16/07/2022 20:05

You sound very unkind.

randomdogfriend · 16/07/2022 20:06

Alwayswonderedwhy · 16/07/2022 20:05

You sound very unkind.

Oh good another one.

Please explain how? Please quote me.

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BeerPongChampion · 16/07/2022 20:07

And the bit about her not training her dog isn’t necessarily true. Our dog that barks is trained and we have worked with a professional for ages to get her barking down. She’s a rescue that had a very bad life and we are working on it. Barking doesn’t mean you’re a bad owner or a lack of trying in all cases. 😔

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