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Don’t want to “make friends” with neighbour’s dog…

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randomdogfriend · 16/07/2022 18:58

NC for this. Sorry it's long!

Small backstory: Neighbour has a yappy dog that never stops, it comes right up to the fence in our back garden and barks incessantly whenever any of us go into the garden. It also barks at passers by on the street - it literally follows them along the fence yapping incessantly as they walk down the street. Neighbour does very little to address this - the occasion half hearted “stop that (name of dog)”, but it doesn’t listen to her and she doesn’t physically remove it. Last year I had a word with the neighbour about this through the fence - the barking was so bad it was upsetting my then newborn aged baby as we sat in the garden. She argued back with me and was generally unpleasant, so I threatened to report her if it didn’t stop. This was around 12 months ago and I’ve had no interactions with her since. The dog has done its usual nuisance barking at the fence when we’ve been out in the garden but I’ve largely tried to ignore it, and now that DD is a bit older she isn’t as startled or bothered by it. So we just largely ignore now.

Today I took DD (now 15 months) out in the garden to play. I sat on the grass relaxing whilst she played. Yappy dog approached the fence as per usual, but we were far enough away from the fence that I could mostly tune it out and just focus on playing with DD. DD didn’t seem remotely bothered by it either. I was then aware of neighbour approaching the fence and heard her say “oh are you saying hello (dogs name)?” Dog continued to incessantly yap. I ignored and continued to play with DD.

Next thing I heard “excuse me can I talk to you?“ through the fence. The fence is too high to see over it, and you can just about make out a person through the slats but I couldn’t really see her. I said “sorry, do you mean me?” (Not really able to see anyone at this point, just a shadow through the fence, and I was also sat a good few feet away from the fence. She said “yes”. I said “erm, yeah I suppose, I can’t see you but I can hear you”. She said “I’m sorry my dog barks and annoys you”. I replied “that’s ok” and then continued to engage with DD who was toddling around (so my attention was more focussed on her and I honestly didn’t want to have any interaction with anyone else at that point). I was hoping this would end the conversation. She continued: “if you made friends with her, she wouldn’t bark at you”. I just again decided to give a one word answer in the hope she would disengage from me as all I wanted to do was relax and play with DD. I replied again “right, ok”. She then continued… “if you made friends with her she wouldn’t bark and then you wouldn’t complain, would you”.

At this point I got irritated as she was pushing an unwanted conversation and also implying I had “complained” when I’d had one interaction with her about this a whole year ago where I’d threatened to complain but not followed that through, and also not mentioned the dog to her since.

I replied: “I just want to enjoy my garden with my DD. I don’t want to have to make friends with a dog through the fence. If your dog is barking constantly it’s because you aren’t training her properly, and that’s up to you to address. It’s not down to other people to make friends with your dog”.

It was more than I wanted to invest in the interaction but to be honest she had annoyed me by that point.

She then said, randomly, “how old is your daughter now?” I replied with her age. In between I was playing with DD and interacting with her, hoping neighbour would get the hint that I didn’t want to engage with her. She then said “what’s her name?” I replied with her name. Just one word answers to try to end it. She then said “ok. I just thought we could be friends that’s all”. Then she (presumably) walked off back to her house (like I say, limited visibility through the fence).

The whole interaction was just so random. Firstly I hadn’t commented on her dog, I was minding my own business and playing with DD. Also a whole year has passed since our last interaction so why approach me now? It would have made sense if I’d complained there and then about the dog, but I’d said nothing. I was just ignoring it as I usually do.

If it’s relevant this isn’t a next door neighbour as such. It’s hard to explain but we are a detached house and her back garden and mine back share a boundary fence. Our houses are nowhere near each other and are actually on separate streets. I am friends with my next door neighbour, by choice, who is lovely. I have no desire to be friends with this other neighbour or her dog.

Was I mean or unreasonable to not want to be friends with either her or her dog? When I'm in my garden I just want to relax and enjoy my garden and my daughter. Is this reasonable? Also, should random people be expected to befriend dogs, or is the onus on the owners to stop the barking regardless?

Any thoughts welcomed.

OP posts:
Huntswomanonthemove · 19/07/2022 14:23

tinnedpears · 19/07/2022 14:09

OP this is a genuine question.. why are you posting in the AIBU post if you don't want people's opinions? You have to put your ego to one side if you are going to post on this particular forum 😬

You must have missed the vile posts, which pretty much took over this thread, and created a great deal of drift from the original post.

You're in danger of joining the deleted ones, making a personal attack on someone.

randomdogfriend · 19/07/2022 15:42

tinnedpears · 19/07/2022 14:09

OP this is a genuine question.. why are you posting in the AIBU post if you don't want people's opinions? You have to put your ego to one side if you are going to post on this particular forum 😬

Except ... you don't "have to" do anything that random Internet strangers tell you to do.

I can respond in whichever way I see fit so long as I stick within the rules. Which I have. Which is a lot more than can be said for other posters, as you'll note from the multiple deleted personal attacks on me.

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tinnedpears · 19/07/2022 15:54

Now hang on a minute I never made a personal attack! I was just asking!!

raffegiraffe · 19/07/2022 16:17

I know it sounds really weird but they do it through smell. Then they associate your smell with nothing to fear.

Huntswomanonthemove · 19/07/2022 16:31

tinnedpears · 19/07/2022 15:54

Now hang on a minute I never made a personal attack! I was just asking!!

Actually, your post was a bit more than just asking.

why are you posting in the AIBU post if you don't want people's opinions? You have to put your ego to one side

randomdogfriend · 19/07/2022 17:23

tinnedpears · 19/07/2022 15:54

Now hang on a minute I never made a personal attack! I was just asking!!

I didn't say you had. I said other posters had.

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DaniRabbity · 19/07/2022 19:34

ClinkeyMonkey · 19/07/2022 10:09

Only a small minority of posters have been 'vile' (surely the most overused and irritating word on this thread). It now seems to be generally accepted that anyone who feels the OP could have been a bit more civil to the woman is 'vile'. So much black and white thinking and very little nuance. The OP has ignored the fact that the majority of posters didn't think she should have to make friends with a dog, or indeed it's owner. She is fixated on the fact that many posters thought her monosyllabic responses to the woman sounded a bit mean spirited. It's just an opinion. We are all getting a small snapshot of a situation. It's all we have to base our opinions on. There's no excuse for the nastiness, but the OP's hackles were up long before the nastiness began.

I really don't think that's accurate.

The thread got derailed by a handful of spiteful posters who wanted a fight.

It's clear to anyone who spends much time here that MN does have posters who are only on here because they enjoy giving other women a good kicking and will actively look for any opportunity to bully someone or for anyone they think might be vulnerable to they can have some jolly good fun metaphorically kicking someone's head in.

Thugs, basically. No different from violent young men who walk around at night looking for someone to beat up.

The fact the OP refused to back down just ramped up their aggression and anger at being denied their fun. It happens here all the time, spiteful posters with an agenda start a bullying pile-on and the target is usually driven away which is their goal.

The posters who disagree with the OP but have been reasonable have been fairly overlooked amongst all the noise.

Huntswomanonthemove · 19/07/2022 19:42

DaniRabbity · 19/07/2022 19:34

I really don't think that's accurate.

The thread got derailed by a handful of spiteful posters who wanted a fight.

It's clear to anyone who spends much time here that MN does have posters who are only on here because they enjoy giving other women a good kicking and will actively look for any opportunity to bully someone or for anyone they think might be vulnerable to they can have some jolly good fun metaphorically kicking someone's head in.

Thugs, basically. No different from violent young men who walk around at night looking for someone to beat up.

The fact the OP refused to back down just ramped up their aggression and anger at being denied their fun. It happens here all the time, spiteful posters with an agenda start a bullying pile-on and the target is usually driven away which is their goal.

The posters who disagree with the OP but have been reasonable have been fairly overlooked amongst all the noise.

Well put @DaniRabbity

randomdogfriend · 19/07/2022 19:53

@DaniRabbity

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Absolutely could not have put it better myself. You are spot on.

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Missisipihallelujah · 19/07/2022 20:50

Find it quite strange that you took your neighbour's suggestion at getting to know her dog as literally making friends. YABU. You were rude and dismissive of the olive branch held out to you.

RockinHorseShit · 20/07/2022 10:14

DaniRabbity
I really don't think that's accurate.

The thread got derailed by a handful of spiteful posters who wanted a fight.

It's clear to anyone who spends much time here that MN does have posters who are only on here because they enjoy giving other women a good kicking and will actively look for any opportunity to bully someone or for anyone they think might be vulnerable to they can have some jolly good fun metaphorically kicking someone's head in.

Thugs, basically. No different from violent young men who walk around at night looking for someone to beat up.

The fact the OP refused to back down just ramped up their aggression and anger at being denied their fun. It happens here all the time, spiteful posters with an agenda start a bullying pile-on and the target is usually driven away which is their goal.

The posters who disagree with the OP but have been reasonable have been fairly overlooked amongst all the noise.

spot on, there are some very sad individuals on this site that love nothing more than a pile on, the worst kind of humans

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