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Don’t want to “make friends” with neighbour’s dog…

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randomdogfriend · 16/07/2022 18:58

NC for this. Sorry it's long!

Small backstory: Neighbour has a yappy dog that never stops, it comes right up to the fence in our back garden and barks incessantly whenever any of us go into the garden. It also barks at passers by on the street - it literally follows them along the fence yapping incessantly as they walk down the street. Neighbour does very little to address this - the occasion half hearted “stop that (name of dog)”, but it doesn’t listen to her and she doesn’t physically remove it. Last year I had a word with the neighbour about this through the fence - the barking was so bad it was upsetting my then newborn aged baby as we sat in the garden. She argued back with me and was generally unpleasant, so I threatened to report her if it didn’t stop. This was around 12 months ago and I’ve had no interactions with her since. The dog has done its usual nuisance barking at the fence when we’ve been out in the garden but I’ve largely tried to ignore it, and now that DD is a bit older she isn’t as startled or bothered by it. So we just largely ignore now.

Today I took DD (now 15 months) out in the garden to play. I sat on the grass relaxing whilst she played. Yappy dog approached the fence as per usual, but we were far enough away from the fence that I could mostly tune it out and just focus on playing with DD. DD didn’t seem remotely bothered by it either. I was then aware of neighbour approaching the fence and heard her say “oh are you saying hello (dogs name)?” Dog continued to incessantly yap. I ignored and continued to play with DD.

Next thing I heard “excuse me can I talk to you?“ through the fence. The fence is too high to see over it, and you can just about make out a person through the slats but I couldn’t really see her. I said “sorry, do you mean me?” (Not really able to see anyone at this point, just a shadow through the fence, and I was also sat a good few feet away from the fence. She said “yes”. I said “erm, yeah I suppose, I can’t see you but I can hear you”. She said “I’m sorry my dog barks and annoys you”. I replied “that’s ok” and then continued to engage with DD who was toddling around (so my attention was more focussed on her and I honestly didn’t want to have any interaction with anyone else at that point). I was hoping this would end the conversation. She continued: “if you made friends with her, she wouldn’t bark at you”. I just again decided to give a one word answer in the hope she would disengage from me as all I wanted to do was relax and play with DD. I replied again “right, ok”. She then continued… “if you made friends with her she wouldn’t bark and then you wouldn’t complain, would you”.

At this point I got irritated as she was pushing an unwanted conversation and also implying I had “complained” when I’d had one interaction with her about this a whole year ago where I’d threatened to complain but not followed that through, and also not mentioned the dog to her since.

I replied: “I just want to enjoy my garden with my DD. I don’t want to have to make friends with a dog through the fence. If your dog is barking constantly it’s because you aren’t training her properly, and that’s up to you to address. It’s not down to other people to make friends with your dog”.

It was more than I wanted to invest in the interaction but to be honest she had annoyed me by that point.

She then said, randomly, “how old is your daughter now?” I replied with her age. In between I was playing with DD and interacting with her, hoping neighbour would get the hint that I didn’t want to engage with her. She then said “what’s her name?” I replied with her name. Just one word answers to try to end it. She then said “ok. I just thought we could be friends that’s all”. Then she (presumably) walked off back to her house (like I say, limited visibility through the fence).

The whole interaction was just so random. Firstly I hadn’t commented on her dog, I was minding my own business and playing with DD. Also a whole year has passed since our last interaction so why approach me now? It would have made sense if I’d complained there and then about the dog, but I’d said nothing. I was just ignoring it as I usually do.

If it’s relevant this isn’t a next door neighbour as such. It’s hard to explain but we are a detached house and her back garden and mine back share a boundary fence. Our houses are nowhere near each other and are actually on separate streets. I am friends with my next door neighbour, by choice, who is lovely. I have no desire to be friends with this other neighbour or her dog.

Was I mean or unreasonable to not want to be friends with either her or her dog? When I'm in my garden I just want to relax and enjoy my garden and my daughter. Is this reasonable? Also, should random people be expected to befriend dogs, or is the onus on the owners to stop the barking regardless?

Any thoughts welcomed.

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randomdogfriend · 16/07/2022 19:42

You don’t have to talk to her or make friends with anyone but maybe she was trying to make peace.

But there's no current conflict to try to make peace about? There's been no interaction for such a long time, it was all just a bit left field tbh

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concernedrepurplehouse · 16/07/2022 19:43

yanbu but she is obviously incompetent and awkward rather than vicious.
how about a letter thanking her for acknowledging the problem and asking her to train Fido not to do it?

JauntyJinty · 16/07/2022 19:43

If she was trying so hard to appologise surely she would have used words like "sorry" which didn't ocome up in your posts!

I agree you should be polite and respectful to every one you meet - but as soon as someone is disrsepectful or rude to me I reposnd in kind which I think is all you have done.And you're totaly right that it's down to her to train her dog, not for you to befriend it.

If she'd some to you with a proper appology and tried to make amends things migth be different - but she's trying to put it on you that the dog barking is your problem when she is the one that should be sorting it.

Tollystar · 16/07/2022 19:43

You said in your OP that all comments were welcome, but then you are arguing against any comments that don't fit your preconceived narrative.

Yes, she was really vile last time when you complained, but her outreach to you today (asking your DD's name and age) is clearly her clumsy way of apologising to you and trying to fix neighbourly relations.

By the way, making friends with the dog might help. Our neighbour has a big dog who is very territorial and used to bark every time we went out of the back door. He's a lovely dog when you meet him out and about, it's just he's very territorial.

So I started saying 'Hey Rover' (not real name!) every time I went out of the house, reassuring him and after a few weeks, he pretty much stopped barking at us (and if he does bark, he stops as soon as we talk to him). He still barks at every other noise though, which is tiresome (and I too don't get why our neighbour doesn't do more to stop it) but at least us using our garden is no longer a trigger.

HarrietSchulenberg · 16/07/2022 19:43

Only on MN do people not want to talk to their neighbours. Maybe I'm lucky but I've always lived next door to people who chat to each other for a minute or two and just get along.

donquixotedelamancha · 16/07/2022 19:44

should we always befriend everyone and anyone who makes that approach towards us

There is a huge difference between befriending someone and basic courtesy. There is a huge difference between an immediate neighbour and 'anyone'. Your description of this conversation is very dramatic for such a non-issue.

Do you really need MN to explain why getting along with your neighbours might be a good plan?

randomdogfriend · 16/07/2022 19:44

HarrietSchulenberg · 16/07/2022 19:43

Only on MN do people not want to talk to their neighbours. Maybe I'm lucky but I've always lived next door to people who chat to each other for a minute or two and just get along.

You haven't read my posts have you? I do want to talk to my neighbours - the nice ones. The one next door on the other side is lovely, we speak often.

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RockinHorseShit · 16/07/2022 19:45

Jeez the number of shite dog owners on here thinking YABU is ridiculous 🥴

Of course YADNBU & you were way more polite & passive than I would have been. Your neighbours dog by law is HER responsibility, not yours & you have a right to enjoy your garden in peace, which the council will uphold if she doesn't sort her dogs annoying noise out. My guess is someone else has made a complaint to Environmental Health & she thinks it's you.

JauntyJinty · 16/07/2022 19:45

to correct myself did she did say sorry the dog barking bothers you - but it was a "sorry but" appology putting the onous back on to you to sort it so most of my post stands!

randomdogfriend · 16/07/2022 19:45

RockinHorseShit · 16/07/2022 19:45

Jeez the number of shite dog owners on here thinking YABU is ridiculous 🥴

Of course YADNBU & you were way more polite & passive than I would have been. Your neighbours dog by law is HER responsibility, not yours & you have a right to enjoy your garden in peace, which the council will uphold if she doesn't sort her dogs annoying noise out. My guess is someone else has made a complaint to Environmental Health & she thinks it's you.

Ahh I hadn't thought of that! I bet someone has complained and she thinks it's me. I wouldn't be surprised if someone had as it is honestly constant.

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randomdogfriend · 16/07/2022 19:47

JauntyJinty · 16/07/2022 19:45

to correct myself did she did say sorry the dog barking bothers you - but it was a "sorry but" appology putting the onous back on to you to sort it so most of my post stands!

Yeah her first sentence was sorry the dog barks at you. I said "that's ok" (even though it's not) because I couldn't be arsed getting into a to and fro with her especially with my little one there. And yet she persisted.......

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randomdogfriend · 16/07/2022 19:42

You don’t have to talk to her or make friends with anyone but maybe she was trying to make peace.

But there's no current conflict to try to make peace about? There's been no interaction for such a long time, it was all just a bit left field tbh

Yes but you both still remember it. And her dog is still barking. So she could be trying to find a way to stop her dog barking and not feel like there’s still a problem between you.

You are absolutely within your right to not want to bother with her, but actually, if it keeps the dog quiet, and you can just say a pleasant hello if you know each other is in the garden, if can’t be a bad thing imo.

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randomdogfriend · 16/07/2022 19:48

Wow I forgot how utterly vile people can be on here. So unpleasant.

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randomdogfriend · 16/07/2022 19:50

Genuine question to those who think I'm unreasonable: what would you have done or said differently? I repeatedly tried to end an unwelcome interaction, I didn't say anything rude or offensive. Just tried to disengage. So please do tell me what you might have done or said differently? Assuming you had no interest in being friends?

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InFiveMins · 16/07/2022 19:51

YABU as well as being very unpleasant. She was trying to resolve the situation the best way she could. You responded by being unkind for no reason at all. Poor woman.

cottagegardenflower · 16/07/2022 19:52

You were unecessarily rude. She was trying to make peace with you and help you get along with her dog. The dog sees you as a threat so barks at you. If you made an effort, it probably wouldn't annoy you so much.

randomdogfriend · 16/07/2022 19:53

Again.

"Unkind".

How?? Can those using this please define "unkind" in terms of how it applies to my responses to her?

Unkind would be, oooh I dunno: "you're coming across as a bit of a twat" and "you're so far up your own arse" - y'know, the comments levelled at me on here. That's my definition of unkind.

So where was I unkind?

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MarshaMelrose · 16/07/2022 19:53

randomdogfriend · 16/07/2022 19:40

I asked whether it's mean or unreasonable to not want to befriend her and her dog. In other words, should we always befriend everyone and anyone who makes that approach towards us, or is it reasonable to not want to be friends with someone; and the secondly, is it a reasonable expectation that others should befriend a dog to stop it barking?

But you prefaced that question with a long conversation which you obviously considered important to include. So when judging the situation, you have to take the whole situation and context into consideration.
So I think:
You are entitled not to want to be friends with the neighbour or her dog. (Although life is usually much easier when you are.)
You were mean in the way you dealt with her.

Womencanlift · 16/07/2022 19:55

YADNBU and you can tell all the dog owners on this thread. You were not rude at all after the way she treated you before. Nothing more annoying than a barking dog so you have my sympathies

If she was trying to reach out and apologise/become friends she could have at least apologised for her actions last year. But the fact she didn’t and only said “sorry my dog annoys you” is so half hearted.

Agree with a pp this is because of a noise complaint and she is trying to find out if it’s you. Will put money on it that her true colours will appear in the next few days

randomdogfriend · 16/07/2022 19:55

@MarshaMelrose

Could you please explain what was rude?

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Sloebluewalls · 16/07/2022 19:55

she Probably knows she over reacted last year and she wants to make amends, which is very nice of her. It’s possible that she was going through a difficult time last year, for other reasons and has had time to reflect. People have lost loved ones, struggled with long covid and finances recently. It’s been stressful for many. Personally I’d give her the benefit of the doubt and a second chance.

Uk38 · 16/07/2022 19:56

Is there a possibility someone else has got sick of the yapping and complained about her and because you once threatened to complain yourself she's put 2 and 2 together and assumed it was you?

MiniMoosey · 16/07/2022 19:56

randomdogfriend · 16/07/2022 19:50

Genuine question to those who think I'm unreasonable: what would you have done or said differently? I repeatedly tried to end an unwelcome interaction, I didn't say anything rude or offensive. Just tried to disengage. So please do tell me what you might have done or said differently? Assuming you had no interest in being friends?

Maybe try talking to her like she’s a person and not a piece of shit? She addressed you and asked if she could talk to you and you said yes, then you gave shitty one word answers. Are you really so self unaware you can’t see how unnecessarily rude that is?