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Don’t want to “make friends” with neighbour’s dog…

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randomdogfriend · 16/07/2022 18:58

NC for this. Sorry it's long!

Small backstory: Neighbour has a yappy dog that never stops, it comes right up to the fence in our back garden and barks incessantly whenever any of us go into the garden. It also barks at passers by on the street - it literally follows them along the fence yapping incessantly as they walk down the street. Neighbour does very little to address this - the occasion half hearted “stop that (name of dog)”, but it doesn’t listen to her and she doesn’t physically remove it. Last year I had a word with the neighbour about this through the fence - the barking was so bad it was upsetting my then newborn aged baby as we sat in the garden. She argued back with me and was generally unpleasant, so I threatened to report her if it didn’t stop. This was around 12 months ago and I’ve had no interactions with her since. The dog has done its usual nuisance barking at the fence when we’ve been out in the garden but I’ve largely tried to ignore it, and now that DD is a bit older she isn’t as startled or bothered by it. So we just largely ignore now.

Today I took DD (now 15 months) out in the garden to play. I sat on the grass relaxing whilst she played. Yappy dog approached the fence as per usual, but we were far enough away from the fence that I could mostly tune it out and just focus on playing with DD. DD didn’t seem remotely bothered by it either. I was then aware of neighbour approaching the fence and heard her say “oh are you saying hello (dogs name)?” Dog continued to incessantly yap. I ignored and continued to play with DD.

Next thing I heard “excuse me can I talk to you?“ through the fence. The fence is too high to see over it, and you can just about make out a person through the slats but I couldn’t really see her. I said “sorry, do you mean me?” (Not really able to see anyone at this point, just a shadow through the fence, and I was also sat a good few feet away from the fence. She said “yes”. I said “erm, yeah I suppose, I can’t see you but I can hear you”. She said “I’m sorry my dog barks and annoys you”. I replied “that’s ok” and then continued to engage with DD who was toddling around (so my attention was more focussed on her and I honestly didn’t want to have any interaction with anyone else at that point). I was hoping this would end the conversation. She continued: “if you made friends with her, she wouldn’t bark at you”. I just again decided to give a one word answer in the hope she would disengage from me as all I wanted to do was relax and play with DD. I replied again “right, ok”. She then continued… “if you made friends with her she wouldn’t bark and then you wouldn’t complain, would you”.

At this point I got irritated as she was pushing an unwanted conversation and also implying I had “complained” when I’d had one interaction with her about this a whole year ago where I’d threatened to complain but not followed that through, and also not mentioned the dog to her since.

I replied: “I just want to enjoy my garden with my DD. I don’t want to have to make friends with a dog through the fence. If your dog is barking constantly it’s because you aren’t training her properly, and that’s up to you to address. It’s not down to other people to make friends with your dog”.

It was more than I wanted to invest in the interaction but to be honest she had annoyed me by that point.

She then said, randomly, “how old is your daughter now?” I replied with her age. In between I was playing with DD and interacting with her, hoping neighbour would get the hint that I didn’t want to engage with her. She then said “what’s her name?” I replied with her name. Just one word answers to try to end it. She then said “ok. I just thought we could be friends that’s all”. Then she (presumably) walked off back to her house (like I say, limited visibility through the fence).

The whole interaction was just so random. Firstly I hadn’t commented on her dog, I was minding my own business and playing with DD. Also a whole year has passed since our last interaction so why approach me now? It would have made sense if I’d complained there and then about the dog, but I’d said nothing. I was just ignoring it as I usually do.

If it’s relevant this isn’t a next door neighbour as such. It’s hard to explain but we are a detached house and her back garden and mine back share a boundary fence. Our houses are nowhere near each other and are actually on separate streets. I am friends with my next door neighbour, by choice, who is lovely. I have no desire to be friends with this other neighbour or her dog.

Was I mean or unreasonable to not want to be friends with either her or her dog? When I'm in my garden I just want to relax and enjoy my garden and my daughter. Is this reasonable? Also, should random people be expected to befriend dogs, or is the onus on the owners to stop the barking regardless?

Any thoughts welcomed.

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randomdogfriend · 16/07/2022 20:22

And how was this:

"I just want to enjoy my garden with my DD. I don’t want to have to make friends with a dog through the fence."

not enough for her to realise I didn't want to entertain the conversation!????

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LadyLaSnack · 16/07/2022 20:22

If I was your neighbour and I wanted to make friends I’d have popped round to your front door with a small olive branch of some kind and a suggestion of a cuppa. What I would not have done is tried to force a conversation through a fence where we couldn’t even see each other, and as part of that conversation find a way to blame you for my dog’s yapping.

GCAcademic · 16/07/2022 20:23

Lol at Any thoughts welcomed in the OP.

I think we can see that’s very much not the case.

randomdogfriend · 16/07/2022 20:24

LadyLaSnack · 16/07/2022 20:22

If I was your neighbour and I wanted to make friends I’d have popped round to your front door with a small olive branch of some kind and a suggestion of a cuppa. What I would not have done is tried to force a conversation through a fence where we couldn’t even see each other, and as part of that conversation find a way to blame you for my dog’s yapping.

Exactly! This.

Baffled by some of the responses on here honestly Confused

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randomdogfriend · 16/07/2022 20:24

GCAcademic · 16/07/2022 20:23

Lol at Any thoughts welcomed in the OP.

I think we can see that’s very much not the case.

They are welcomed. But so is my response to them. 🤷‍♀️

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Chardonnay73 · 16/07/2022 20:28

So why not include actually talking to your neighbour when she reached out and tried to start a conversation as part of your “coping strategy”?
Surely that would be more effective?
Like I say, it’s not me that has to live next door to it, but honestly, life is too bloody short to have this angst on your doorstep!

onlythreenow · 16/07/2022 20:28

YABU. No wonder the world is in the state it is when people like you are so rude and unpleasant to someone who was trying to make amends for her barking dog. She was suggesting you become friends - just like neighbours used to be before everyone got so self absorbed.

BellePeppa · 16/07/2022 20:29

Crikey you’re unfriendly! She’s right, if you made friends with the dog it would most likely not bark at you anymore. My dog has a tendency to bark at strangers but once they’re acquainted they no longer bark at that person.

Chardonnay73 · 16/07/2022 20:31

So the old AiBU?
Mumsnet “yes you are”
OP “ I’m entitled to my opinion”
Mumsnet “FFS”
😆

randomdogfriend · 16/07/2022 20:31

@Chardonnay73

There is no "angst" on my part. I'm indifferent. I literally couldn't care. I let it get me very stressed and upset last year and I decided I couldn't feel that way anymore about something I had no control over, so I got on with my life and found ways to cope with the noise when it bothers me. I don't want to befriend someone I have no interest in befriending. That's not a "coping strategy" if it results in extra energy and effort being used that I need to preserve for other parts of my life.

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BeerPongChampion · 16/07/2022 20:32

GCAcademic · 16/07/2022 20:23

Lol at Any thoughts welcomed in the OP.

I think we can see that’s very much not the case.

🤣

I really don’t know why OP posted. It seems silly to post about something that you are convinced you are 100% right on. I can only think she fancied having a row as obviously some people would say they would have done things differently, and if you’re not open to possibly taking those things on board, just don’t share and continue to believe you’re right.

Autumndays123 · 16/07/2022 20:32

Yep you were rude and sound like quite an unpleasant person to be honest. I hope your daughter is young enough to not be picking up and learning from your unkindness. If I were you I would probably spend less time concerned with your neighbor teaching her dog manners and more time concerned with the possibility of your daughter learning that the way you interact with people is acceptable

randomdogfriend · 16/07/2022 20:32

I've had a lot of validation and people who share my view actually. 🤷‍♀️

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randomdogfriend · 16/07/2022 20:34

@Autumndays123

You sound unkind from that one post you've posted. Awful, actually. I do hope your children aren't learning that from you.

See how ridiculous that sounds? Judging someone as an unpleasant person who is teaching their child to be unkind based on ONE interaction with someone who was unpleasant to me previously?

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randomdogfriend · 16/07/2022 20:34

In other words, you know nothing about the kind of person I am from this one description of an interaction with someone who definitely did not deserve my time or kindness after last time

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birdsinthegarden · 16/07/2022 20:36

randomdogfriend · 16/07/2022 19:50

Genuine question to those who think I'm unreasonable: what would you have done or said differently? I repeatedly tried to end an unwelcome interaction, I didn't say anything rude or offensive. Just tried to disengage. So please do tell me what you might have done or said differently? Assuming you had no interest in being friends?

I think she was probably trying to 'clear the air'. She might have heard you playing with your DD and felt bad by the way she spoke to you. Some people are really rubbish and awkward at apologies but it sounds like that's what she was doing.

You don't owe her anything but I personally think it's nice to have a civil relationship with your neighbours even if it's not a super friendly one. Yeah, she wasn't nice to you last year but imo, life's too short to remember and 'not forget' all the times people slight us.

If it was me, I'd knock on her door, keep it brief and just say, 'we got off on the wrong foot. There's no hard feelings' and then leave it there. You don't have to be friends with her or her dog but I always prefer living in peace without any kind of 'atmosphere'.

BeerPongChampion · 16/07/2022 20:36

randomdogfriend · 16/07/2022 20:32

I've had a lot of validation and people who share my view actually. 🤷‍♀️

But if you’re so convinced you’re right, why would you need validation. I wouldn’t have done what you did, but if you believe you are right, have confidence in your way of doing things. If you seek validation, you will always get people that will think differently. Seems a bit pointless.

I never ask people’s opinions when I’m happy with what I’ve done. Much easier. That way no one says I’m wrong. 😝

cadburyegg · 16/07/2022 20:36

YANBU and I'm surprised at so many comments saying otherwise. Your neighbour was basically saying her dog was barking at you because you wouldn't make friends with it! What a fucking idiot she is. Your replies were perfectly reasonable. Yes you were annoyed but that was because she tried to put the onus on you to solve the issue.

Chardonnay73 · 16/07/2022 20:36

randomdogfriend · 16/07/2022 20:31

@Chardonnay73

There is no "angst" on my part. I'm indifferent. I literally couldn't care. I let it get me very stressed and upset last year and I decided I couldn't feel that way anymore about something I had no control over, so I got on with my life and found ways to cope with the noise when it bothers me. I don't want to befriend someone I have no interest in befriending. That's not a "coping strategy" if it results in extra energy and effort being used that I need to preserve for other parts of my life.

Then why post? You clearly do love!
Bored now. Enjoy your evening.
with your yapping dog and coping strategies 🤣

Loveisnotloving · 16/07/2022 20:37

You were rude, curt and dismissive.

Enjoy the yappy dog from here till eternity.
Enjoy having a next door that you don’t get on with.
Enjoy the fact that she tried to make amends and sort the situation and you shot her down by acting like a twat.

It’s a long life you will have living there. You have just made your bed so lie in it.

yap yap yap yap yap yap, have a great summer 😂

randomdogfriend · 16/07/2022 20:37

The only thing my daughter learned from today is that mummy prioritised playing with her in the garden over talking to a neighbour about something that I didn't want to talk about. She did not witness shouting, anger, or heightened emotions of any type. She witnessed mummy continuing to engage and play with her. I mean, I think she'll be ok..... 😬

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randomdogfriend · 16/07/2022 20:39

@Chardonnay73 "love"?? 🤢

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randomdogfriend · 16/07/2022 20:39

@Loveisnotloving

Wow you are particularly unpleasant aren't you.

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itsgettingweird · 16/07/2022 20:39

Well I'm glad you aren't my neighbour.

No doubt the barking was an issue but your initial interaction was harsh and you made a threat.

Then when she tries to interact before even giving her a chance you decide you don't want to be friendly.

cadburyegg · 16/07/2022 20:40

I don't see how on earth the NDN was trying to make amends, either. If she felt that bad about the situation she'd do something about her dog's barking, wouldn't she? Not a half arsed apology.