To ask if the red weather warning will now make you take climate change seriously?

[YetiTeri]

Now you know what impact this heat will have (schools closing, travel chaos, threat to life) will it make you take climate change more seriously?

@YetiTeri @DoubleShotEspresso great link, BTW did you notice that the 1976 scale peaked at +5.0 degrees while the 2022 scale peaked at +7.0 meaning that the reality is even more extreme than depicted.

I did yes.

Pretty terrifying stuff to contemplate but thought this link is very clear and helpful in explaining the very distinct difference between our current heatwave and perhaps those that other posters remember.

@AntlerRose actually I think it's important that the average person does understand at least the basic science of climate change and what policies should and are being implemented. If the average person doesn't understand those policies and the challenges in implementing them it is hard to hold the government to account with any authority.

@Daftasabroom - i dont think in any other area lay people are expected to know the solutions. I dont know whats best for defence, agriculture, heathcare, justice etc. I just see the end result and if its rubbish vote for someone who suggests what they will do to make it better that sounds sensible.

So i would want to see good policies on public transport for instance but i dont know what they should be. I havent got the headspace to sort out a transport policy for an entire country

No.

Yeah, your kids are the ones being wiped out, not Anonymous people 2000 years from now. If there is drought or crop failure, wars over resources- it's your kids that aren't making it

You understand that humans aren't immortal don't you?

Is this the average for the whole year?

Anyone listen to BBC radio Farming Today, they did a great piece on cow slurry.
I think it is brilliant listen and the show Dare to repair.

were farmers, mostly arable but some livestock.

I get so fed up of how much were blamed for climate change, and how government policy now appears set to turn this country into some national park whilst apparently outsourcing our carbon footprint to countries who can’t actually afford to be virtuous and whose farming practices are in no way as sustainable as our own.

combining crops in this heat is also terrifying, we’re blowing down after every third load after watching our neighbours machine burn to the ground in a matter of minutes last night.

I've always taken climate change very seriously. However, the overblown, scare-mongering response to this week's weather is fucking weird. There were temperatures of 38.5˚ recorded in the UK in August 2003. There were temperatures of 39˚c being predicted in the south east in July 2006, though they actually topped out at 36.5˚c.

This isn't new. I'm not saying that it's not serious and in 2003 in particular there were many deaths across Europe due to the heat. And I know that small incremental increases add up, so if temperatures go higher than the 38.5˚ it's a sign of dangerous, incremental increases. But the level of fear-mongering about two days of something all of us here have lived through, most of us as adults is a sign of an untrustworthy media and a general population with the memory of a fictional blue and yellow fish. Both of which, I personally find much more worrying than climate change.

Odd comment. You are happy for your children to die prematurely because humans aren't immortal? No shit, I still don't want my children to suffer the effects of climate change. The global effects, for example, being food and water shortages and conflicts.

Let's not bother with healthcare, lunate or anything like that. If bad things happen, it's just nature innit.

Agree these threads always bring strange views re really not caring about death of their dc

I support the demands of both Extinction Rebellion and Just Stop Oil, they can be found here:
XR
Just Stop Oil

Posted too soon. These demands are sensible, science backed demands.

For the avoidance of doubt, Just Stop Oil is asking for no new oil infrastructure.

Actually, yes. The models from the Standard Run are being validated from the Club of Rome paper.

I read an article several years ago from a university professor. They said we would never achieve our net zero targets and reduce the heating of the earth.

While governments and large coporations around the world are accountable, it was also because of the end consumer. They are responsible to. People will not change their ways. To makes an impact, changes have to be made across every sector of a society. People still want their new phones, cars, household items that the Jones own, holidays, fast fashion, over consumption of calories, out of season food, food not grown close to home. It all leads to production and consumption of resource, and outputs shit into the atmosphere. We've created and built a society we will struggle to escape from. People are not prepared to live a more simple life. They also do not understand the saying 'reduce, reuse, recycle.' We should not be recycling, where we can we should be reducing.

We can adapt, but you are only looking at your circumstance. The population is huge. Adaption will not be possible for large parts of the earth.

Most people do take climate change seriously but the actions of individual people only help if it's combined with mass action INCLUDING the corporations.

It's the corporations and governments that are responsible here. Even if every individual outside of giant companies on the planet made these changes, it's not enough.

It's too late. We were warned years ago and the science states it's too late. The corporations are getting away with it because they're now advancing the timeline on the inevitable. It's devastating.

Efficiency doesn’t arbitrarily increase to infinity. The majority of improvements in modern economies have come from the microprocessor, yes. But a car is still not a million times more efficient now than it was 50 years ago, unlike the silicon chips in the modern PC.

You only have to look at the property threads on here to see that people don't generally really care, throwing away perfectly good kitchens and completely changing the house they have bought.

Very unscientific. The earth is 4.5 billion years old. We will be having 2 hot days next week.

You have to get this in proportion, there have been much much hotter days in this country in the past. Were they man made?

@YetiTeri

DoubleShotEspresso
Maybe this helps explain your point in a more informative/less accusatory way?

twitter.com/willnorman/status/1548547271725240323?s=21&t=NJfJZKCdjsP5KnLmsezYDw

Hopefully. The science is all there. The graphics are all there. Climate stripes are a brilliant way of showing the trend. Why is it not making more of a difference though? I doubt it's because people think 'well YetiTeri was a bit rude so I'm never going to walk instead of drive'

The facts abd science are clear.
But as per my first post I think the majority view their biggest emergency as being affordability.
The maths means that sustainable choices are much more less accessible I honestly believe most do cate but remain limited in their choices. It's those in power with the ability to bring changes. Until then...,

Affordability is an issue for some sections of society but in others it’s just straight consumerism that is hard to curtail

So how many avoid things like a flying holiday, ski ing or bigger car if they can afford it

The latter might tip to EV if they can but suppressing consumption is hard when it’s an easy choice

@Discovereads

The point is that electric versions do exist for farm vehicles are we are in fact weaning ourselves off fossil fuels, so no, we are not dependent on them as we have alternatives. All the issues you list are simply ones of logistics. The same with hydrogen, it is not only produced using methane from natural gas, but methane from biomass, so again we are not dependent on fossil fuels to cryeste hydrogen as there is an alternate source that we are using and ramping up.

Fossil fuels aren't going anywhere. This Woods Mackenzie report was before the 2022 rush to more coal, gas and oil, I might add. COP26 has been a horrific failure less than 12 months after it finished.

Yes, electric versions exist. Now tell me how much energy and resources will be needed to convert ALL agriculture to use this, and what costs farmers will have to swallow for it.

As Natural History Museum Head of Earth Sciences Prof Richard Herrington et al., warned in 2019:

“To replace all UK-based vehicles today with electric vehicles (not including the LGV and HGV fleets), assuming they use the most resource-frugal next-generation NMC 811 batteries, would take 207,900 tonnes cobalt, 264,600 tonnes of lithium carbonate (LCE), at least 7,200 tonnes of neodymium and dysprosium, in addition to 2,362,500 tonnes copper. This represents, just under two times the total annual world cobalt production, nearly the entire world production of neodymium, three quarters the world’s lithium production and at least half of the world’s copper production during 2018. Even ensuring the annual supply of electric vehicles only, from 2035 as pledged, will require the UK to annually import the equivalent of the entire annual cobalt needs of European industry…

So, yeah, having an alternative doesn't mean anything. We have literal oceans of hydrocarbons on the moon Titan to go and use when we run out of oil, so no big deal, right?

You are simply wrong about desal plants as well- as the ones using RO are more than economically viable and are being used on various remote islands. I helped install one on a British island for example, Ascension Island. Look it up. And there are no “dead zones” in fact the island has tons of sea life around it. Sea turtles, fish, whales, dolphins, and so on such that is is actually a protected Marine Wildlife Preserve. Not to mention it is creepily covered in crabs everywhere you look there are giant crabs on the rocks and land crabs in the interior. The only time any marine life get killed is when occasionally the undersea volcano erupts poison gas under the water. Ascension Island is the tip of an active volcano that spans from seabed to above the sea level.

Sure about the dead zones? I mean, it's simple chemistry.

Likewise, as I already pointed out, your use cases are completely irrelevant to modern industrialised uses. The water rates that allow agriculture to even exist, do not hold up with desal. Might want to ask yourself why everyone is draining aquifers in the south western USA and across all of India and Africa and China, instead of just using sea water.

One more about it being environmentally damaging.

The two posts above yours suggest otherwise @DoubleShotEspresso

I think that the vast majority of the population are bored rigid with the media and others banging on constantly about climate change. Governments should quietly go and actually do something about it. Maybe go to China and protest there, but that’s never going to happen. I do my bit such as recycling, try not to be wasteful with consumer goods but whenever I see headlines screaming about climate change I mentally switch off - what is the average person supposed to do? As for all those who state virtuously that they don’t do foreign holidays because they care about the planet, what a load of old nonsense, they don’t fly abroad because they don’t like foreign holidays.