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To pay even though it will upset my whole family?

177 replies

FloAndJoanAreMyMusicHeroes · 14/07/2022 11:03

Name changed for this as I don't know who in my family is on MN.

I'll try to keep it brief but I want to include all the relevant details so as not to drip feed or have to answer the same question multiple times.

TLDR; should we pay school fees for our niece even though it'll upset my whole family?

I'm autistic and really struggled with my mainstream school so when I was 6 my parents applied for, and got me a place, at private school. I received a large bursary as it was not something they could have afforded otherwise. I will always be grateful to them for that decision as it was that which led me to be able to cope in school, go to university, get a well paying job and be able to support them financially now.

I have one brother who is, quite frankly, a shit. Our parents tried to get a place for him at a couple of private schools but he was turned down by both. He holds this against me and I think my parents guilt about how our schooling differed is why they forgive him for every stunt he's pulled and all his shitty behaviour. He has one child with his ex-girlfriend and does absolutely everything he can to avoid giving her any money to raise their daughter. He makes most of his money dealing drugs and does cash in hand work too. He posts all over Facebook about how his daughter is his world, has her name tattooed on his arm, generally makes a big show about being a dad but in reality does as little parenting as possible.

My husband and I take the attitude that they're still family even if my brother and his ex are no longer together and our niece didn't choose to be fathered by a dead beat dad so have financially supported her and her mum since she was born. None of my family know this because I know it would get back to my brother and he would demand that we give him the money. I'm including this not to make us look good but just to explain how we've got to where we are now.

Our niece has been attending pre-school at my old private school (paid by us, very reasonable rates) because it has a good reputation and has meant that her mum has been able to do some steady work. The school have now suggested that her mum apply for a place at the main school for reception onwards. Her mum has seen the difference private schooling made to my life and wants the same for her daughter so has approached us and asked if we'd be willing to pay those fees. She knows it's a large outlay so there's no obligation but it's something we'd like to do. My husband and I live in his home country where state schooling is really good so have no need to send our children private and are both in well paid careers so can afford the fees without problem. Niece's mum is unable to have any more children so we won't have the issue of 'you pay her fees, why not my other child?'. I also suspect that our niece is on the autistic spectrum so want her in a small friendly environment like I was.

My issue really is about the fact that when it comes out to my family that our niece is at my old private school they're going to wonder who's paying for it and probably come to the conclusion that it's us. This will cause a lot of upset and resentment and possibly ruin relationships. My parents often make noise about things they think we should pay for but I'm unwilling to do so (Eg a bigger house when they have a decent sized one that'll suit them into old age) and I'm sure they'll be angry we pay these fees but don't want to buy them everything they want. I'm also concerned that other relations such as cousins will pop up wanting us to pay for their children. We could lie but I'm a terrible liar and it'll almost certainly come out later which would then cause further upset.

So do I want to set a child up in a school I trust and that will look after her but potentially upset my whole family or do we say no and put my immediate family's feelings first?

OP posts:
sunshinesupermum · 14/07/2022 11:06

It's your money. If your family doesn't like it that is their problem not yours. I think it's a wonderful thing to help your niece in this way.

DelisButAlsoCrime · 14/07/2022 11:07

You sound like a really kind and generous person OP.

Would your niece (her mum) qualify for any bursaries/support? Even if only a small amount and you paid the rest, at least that way the answer to the question could be that it’s a bursary and that wouldn’t be a lie

pumpkinpie01 · 14/07/2022 11:08

I think you are a wonderful auntie , could you and her mum pretend there were a certain amount of scholarships /grants available for those that didn't have the funds your niece applied and got in ?

TimeForTeaAndG · 14/07/2022 11:10

I think your family sound horrendous. Who actually expects their daughter to buy them a new house?! Why are they not helping to support their granddaughter?!

You do you, OP. Personally I would cut down on communication with everyone apart from your ex-sil and your neice.

PurplePinecone · 14/07/2022 11:10

It is a kind thing to do and think it's up to you if you want to do it. You could tell your nieces mum to say she got a bursary maybe?

Also, if you do decide to do this, consider that you will be paying maybe up until alevel for her. Are you sure you can continue to afford this for that long? What about when your kids needs help with uni costs etc? Just make sure you consider long term.

Glitterspy · 14/07/2022 11:11

That’s an amazing gesture but she’s not your child. If her parents want her to go private, they need to pay.

Augend23 · 14/07/2022 11:11

Hmm yes, could they apply for a bursary based on her income and you pay the remainder of the fees? You could be putting aside the additional cost in case the bursary ended for some reason.

BigYellowElephant · 14/07/2022 11:12

You sound absolutely lovely. I'd pay for the school and tell the other grabby bastards to piss off

readsalotgirl63 · 14/07/2022 11:12

I think it would be completely plausible that your niece was awarded a bursary/scholarship - and you and her mum stick to that story and don't deviate from it.

CoffeeBeansGalore · 14/07/2022 11:12

Is there a bursary scheme for the school that your niece could qualify for which her mum could say is paying for her education?

You don't have to lie, just don't say anything.

It is a lovely generous act for your niece.

Crimeismymiddlename · 14/07/2022 11:18

This is your decision. Since you financially support your parents it would be incredibly bad form for them to make a fuss. It does seem like they would due to asking for a bigger house and such. You could always just say that you don’t know and to ask sil. They probably know you are supporting sil and paying for the nursery unless your brother has them convinced it is him!

FictionalCharacter · 14/07/2022 11:20

You are generously supporting your niece for good reasons. Your grabby parents and the other relatives (cousins etc) who might pop up with demands have no legitimate reasons to sponge off you. If they are the kind of people who would want your niece to miss out just because you’re not giving them something, they are pretty nasty.
It would be very sad if they threw their dollies out of the pram because you helped her, but surely they’d get over it. If not, how much would it hurt you? Are they horrible enough to cut you off or make your life difficult?
It sounds as though you have your parents in your ear anyway, wanting more even though you already support them. I can’t imagine doing that to my kids.

FloAndJoanAreMyMusicHeroes · 14/07/2022 11:22

Thanks all.

In my new country university is free so we won't have the same issues finding however much UK universities cost these days. Obviously there's still living costs to consider but we live in a city with several very good universities so they can live at home as long as they like and if they move away we can still support them.

Niece's mum is investigating bursaries and as I understand it any means tested ones will be done on her income so if niece is awarded one it should make a dent. We also get a discount because I'm an alumnus.

OP posts:
dworky · 14/07/2022 11:25

Glitterspy · 14/07/2022 11:11

That’s an amazing gesture but she’s not your child. If her parents want her to go private, they need to pay.

People can spend their own money on what they choose. Nothing to do with anyone else.

ThreeLittleDots · 14/07/2022 11:32

It's not your fault your brother is a shit. I think you wouldn't be unreasonable to top up your neice's fees if you can afford it. Any fallout says more about them than you. They probably feel guilty they raised a shit. Why isn't he in prison?

AdoraBell · 14/07/2022 11:34

As others have said, ask SIL to apply for a bursary and plan long term for your DC as well as your niece. Ignore the demands for money from your relatives.

10HailMarys · 14/07/2022 11:36

Is there any reason why you think your niece really wouldn't thrive in a private school? I realise that you had a positive experience, but your niece is not you. If your niece is in the UK, most state schools are perfectly fine and will have pupils on the autistic spectrum.

If you want to pay for her, pay for her - her mum can pretend she's on a scholarship if need be. But I think talking about private school as if it's something your niece really needs, rather than something nice to have, isn't really accurate. I'm wondering if you might be projecting a little bit.

It's fantastic that you're helping to support your niece financially so she doesn't suffer as as result of her dad's lack of effort - but kids with loving, responsible dads don't automatically go to private school either! Most of them go to an ordinary state school and are fine. So while I think you're amazing for the support you give your niece and her mother, I'm sure that could continue without paying for private schooling.

SuperCamp · 14/07/2022 11:38

It is pretty shocking that your parents would resent expenditure on their granddaughter.

You will never feel happy if you allow your choices to be influenced by those with shoddy values.

It is no one else’s business. It is between you and your niece’s Mum. Arguably also her Dad but as he has neglected his responsibilities he hardly has a right to tell you whether or not you can support your niece.

It is not anyone else’s business. The girls mum should just say ‘with bursaries, one way and another it is affordable’ and ‘I don’t want to go into detail about my finances, thanks’. You should just say “I’m happy she is getting the chance I got. How her mum is managing it is none of anyone else’s business, is it? “ and change the subject. Direct questions: “I am not really wanting to discuss my finances, her finances or anyone’s finances. “. Just calmly block every question with the same answer.

dreamingbohemian · 14/07/2022 11:40

If she will definitely get a discount, and might get an additional bursary, then I would just brush it off as you are 'topping up' the fees and not get drawn into how much that is. I mean, I wouldn't get into the discussion anyway, but if people really press you, just say you're topping it up a bit.

I think it's a lovely thing to do even if there's a chance that you might not be able to do it for her entire schooling (which could always happen). Even having some years at a really good school is better than not.

If your brother gives you a hard time just tell him to fuck off.

Arenanewbie · 14/07/2022 11:40

I wouldn’t, it’s a big commitment you will feel obliged to stick to it since you’ve started and definitely feel pressure to continue.
It definitely will affect your children and they will feel upset (unless you are a millionaire), they probably young now and would say yes to anything you are saying but it would be just them not understanding the situation.

30mph · 14/07/2022 11:40

Nobody else's business! Encourage Niece's mum to pursue a bursary, which you can supplement as necessary, and she can truthfully tell family that she was awarded a bursary. And if it does become known to the wider family then just carry on being supportive to niece. Do the right thing.

Testina · 14/07/2022 11:41

The only bit I’m a bit 🤨 about is that this wasn’t your idea but came from your niece’s mum. You already support her and pay childcare fees? Even if the support is only the latter, that’s a lot. I do rather feel that this woman is taking the piss coming to you. But, I’ll park that with you obviously have shown her you’re happy to give something, and she presumably wants the best for her child, it’s not like she’s asking for a Mercedes for herself!

So that aside…

Do it, but have the courage of your convictions. Basically - so fucking what if your family fall out with you over it? They sound dreadful. I’d be looking at turning off the tap for your parents if they give you any shit over it. I appreciate that you feel you can afford to help them now because they paid for your school then, so I don’t say it lightly. But you are clearly giving enough, and I really would be prepared to say - do not bite the hand that feeds - if they complain.

As for cousins coming out of the woodwork hands out… you say no. It really is that easy. If they fall out with you because of that - why would you

Testina · 14/07/2022 11:41

…care?!

Takingthepmaybe · 14/07/2022 11:41

Hundred per cent do it.

if I needed to I would do this for my niblings in a heartbeat.

if the rest of your family kicks off just confirms how awful they are.

Winniewonka · 14/07/2022 11:46

If family ask, tell them it's none of their business how you or your husband choose to spend your money which you have earned.
Tell them that you don't query their finances so why is it any of their business.
If your parents are demanding a bigger house then they will have to work for it and you certainly won't be supporting your brother when he is too selfish to provide any financial help for his own child.
If they fall out with you, it doesn't sound much of a loss. You have your own lovely family instead.