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To pay even though it will upset my whole family?

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FloAndJoanAreMyMusicHeroes · 14/07/2022 11:03

Name changed for this as I don't know who in my family is on MN.

I'll try to keep it brief but I want to include all the relevant details so as not to drip feed or have to answer the same question multiple times.

TLDR; should we pay school fees for our niece even though it'll upset my whole family?

I'm autistic and really struggled with my mainstream school so when I was 6 my parents applied for, and got me a place, at private school. I received a large bursary as it was not something they could have afforded otherwise. I will always be grateful to them for that decision as it was that which led me to be able to cope in school, go to university, get a well paying job and be able to support them financially now.

I have one brother who is, quite frankly, a shit. Our parents tried to get a place for him at a couple of private schools but he was turned down by both. He holds this against me and I think my parents guilt about how our schooling differed is why they forgive him for every stunt he's pulled and all his shitty behaviour. He has one child with his ex-girlfriend and does absolutely everything he can to avoid giving her any money to raise their daughter. He makes most of his money dealing drugs and does cash in hand work too. He posts all over Facebook about how his daughter is his world, has her name tattooed on his arm, generally makes a big show about being a dad but in reality does as little parenting as possible.

My husband and I take the attitude that they're still family even if my brother and his ex are no longer together and our niece didn't choose to be fathered by a dead beat dad so have financially supported her and her mum since she was born. None of my family know this because I know it would get back to my brother and he would demand that we give him the money. I'm including this not to make us look good but just to explain how we've got to where we are now.

Our niece has been attending pre-school at my old private school (paid by us, very reasonable rates) because it has a good reputation and has meant that her mum has been able to do some steady work. The school have now suggested that her mum apply for a place at the main school for reception onwards. Her mum has seen the difference private schooling made to my life and wants the same for her daughter so has approached us and asked if we'd be willing to pay those fees. She knows it's a large outlay so there's no obligation but it's something we'd like to do. My husband and I live in his home country where state schooling is really good so have no need to send our children private and are both in well paid careers so can afford the fees without problem. Niece's mum is unable to have any more children so we won't have the issue of 'you pay her fees, why not my other child?'. I also suspect that our niece is on the autistic spectrum so want her in a small friendly environment like I was.

My issue really is about the fact that when it comes out to my family that our niece is at my old private school they're going to wonder who's paying for it and probably come to the conclusion that it's us. This will cause a lot of upset and resentment and possibly ruin relationships. My parents often make noise about things they think we should pay for but I'm unwilling to do so (Eg a bigger house when they have a decent sized one that'll suit them into old age) and I'm sure they'll be angry we pay these fees but don't want to buy them everything they want. I'm also concerned that other relations such as cousins will pop up wanting us to pay for their children. We could lie but I'm a terrible liar and it'll almost certainly come out later which would then cause further upset.

So do I want to set a child up in a school I trust and that will look after her but potentially upset my whole family or do we say no and put my immediate family's feelings first?

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mogtheexcellent · 14/07/2022 11:47

You sound lovely and kind OP. I would go for topping up any bursary your ex SIL gets for your niece.

Please make her mum aware that if circumstances change you may be unable to continue in future but hopefully they wont.

IncompleteSenten · 14/07/2022 11:48

The only thing that matters is you and your husband want to do it and can afford to do it.

If your so called family find out then tell them to mind their own business.

It is your money and your decision.

dottiedodah · 14/07/2022 11:49

I think you sound very generous .However it is a big undertaking TBH.I would probably think hard .What if one of you lost their job ,or your own DC found out later and were not happy . If your Nieces Mum gets a bursary maybe top up .If paying all not too sure .As 10HailMarys says private school is a luxury .Most DC go to State Schools .

jeaux90 · 14/07/2022 11:50

Do it OP. My DD13 is ASD and the small class sizes make a massive difference.

You are super duper level of kindness.

MargotChateau · 14/07/2022 11:55

You are extremely kind and don’t listen to those saying you shouldn’t pay, you want to, she’s family you care for, and if you can that’s your own business.

I’m dyslexic but went to private school on a creative talent bursary, it made an enormous difference to my confidence and learning, I now have a masters degree. Had I gone to a school with very large class sizes I would have slipped behind and never caught up.

Tell the mum yes, will pay, but you must say the fees are a bursary. Let the school know this is the case too, that an old girl is paying for places for qualifying students. The school won’t be lying then nor will you. (This sort of thing went on at my school, where the school would fib as some fathers were too ‘proud’ to take charity for children that really needed to be placed in the school).

You are a kind soul, I’m glad you have a fulfilled and successful life and your niece and her mother have you in their lives.

you have restored my faith in humanity a bit today.

itsgettingweird · 14/07/2022 11:56

You sound wonderful.

It's not easy to stand against family and you've recognised what your brother doesn't do (and your schooling differences aren't to blame - he made his own choices in life).
I'm really pleased you got through schooling in a small environment. My ds is autistic and he would have thrived in small classes but we were lucky to get him into a state school with an ehcp and he did better than anyone imagined (even him I think 🤣).

I would just pay for it if you feel that you can commit to the next 11-13 years and don't think you'll return to the uk and want to independently educate your children.

And your parents Shock why do they think you owe them a bigger property? I'm assuming they still remain in your family home and therefore have at least 3 beds already?

SarahSissions · 14/07/2022 12:01

You’re very kind and should absolutely do this. Whether your niece gets a bursary or not her mum should just bat questions away with “yes you’re right it’s expensive, she has a scholarship, but the other expenses are still high? Would you like to help out with uniform” I’m sure if any questions about money get batted back with a request your cheeky family will butt out.

WeAreBob · 14/07/2022 12:04

Just let the mum tell your brother that she was awarded the bursery just like you were. That's how she knew about it and decided to try for it.

You can always have a word with the school that your payment arrangement with them is confidential. It has nothing to do with her schooling so no need to disclose it to her dad.

AryaStarkWolf · 14/07/2022 12:04

Go for it, your niece is very lucky to have you looking out for her. Your parents don't sound very nice if they would begrudge their own grandchild a place in a good school.

Blossomtoes · 14/07/2022 12:05

IncompleteSenten · 14/07/2022 11:48

The only thing that matters is you and your husband want to do it and can afford to do it.

If your so called family find out then tell them to mind their own business.

It is your money and your decision.

This. How dare they think they’re entitled to your money?

Mariposista · 14/07/2022 12:06

What a wonderful auntie you are. I hope you and your niece have a bond for life.

Yodaisawally · 14/07/2022 12:07

Glitterspy · 14/07/2022 11:11

That’s an amazing gesture but she’s not your child. If her parents want her to go private, they need to pay.

What a ridiculous comment.

WeAreBob · 14/07/2022 12:08

Glitterspy · 14/07/2022 11:11

That’s an amazing gesture but she’s not your child. If her parents want her to go private, they need to pay.

This is a odd attitude to family. What a misrable person you must be.

VioletInsolence · 14/07/2022 12:09

Crikey, I did the same for my autistic son and there’s no way I’d expect him to support me! I mean, I think he just expected that he’d be doing that but I’ve told him that he isn’t responsible for me.

It would be a lovely thing to do and I so wish someone had done that for me. I’m so glad to hear that it helped you.

Eatingchips · 14/07/2022 12:09

Testina · 14/07/2022 11:41

The only bit I’m a bit 🤨 about is that this wasn’t your idea but came from your niece’s mum. You already support her and pay childcare fees? Even if the support is only the latter, that’s a lot. I do rather feel that this woman is taking the piss coming to you. But, I’ll park that with you obviously have shown her you’re happy to give something, and she presumably wants the best for her child, it’s not like she’s asking for a Mercedes for herself!

So that aside…

Do it, but have the courage of your convictions. Basically - so fucking what if your family fall out with you over it? They sound dreadful. I’d be looking at turning off the tap for your parents if they give you any shit over it. I appreciate that you feel you can afford to help them now because they paid for your school then, so I don’t say it lightly. But you are clearly giving enough, and I really would be prepared to say - do not bite the hand that feeds - if they complain.

As for cousins coming out of the woodwork hands out… you say no. It really is that easy. If they fall out with you because of that - why would you

I am a bit concerned about this aspect too.

You sound like an extremely kind and thoughtful person but your family expectations including your SIL are not normal and they are impacting your boundaries.

Baggyeye · 14/07/2022 12:11

If I was the child's mum I wouldn't be happy with this set up as your circumstances could change & you could withdraw your support at any time. Even if you don't think so now.

I'm surprised the conversation with your family hasn't come up already - don't your family know which pre-school she goes to?

So you got private education, your brother didn't and you are now trying to facilitate the private education of his daughter without consulting him about which school she goes to (how would you feel if someone tried to arrange your DCs education without including you?) frankly I can see why your brother and family may be pissed off with you.

GlumyGloomer · 14/07/2022 12:11

It is a really lovely thing to do, however there's a flaw in your logic that because mum can't have more kids this is definitely a one time deal. What if the dead beat brother has more kids? Presumably he'd pay as little as possible then too, especially if he knows you'll pick up the slack. Not trying to put you off, but something to consider.

ILikeHotWaterBottles · 14/07/2022 12:15

I am a bit concerned too that the ex is taking advantage of you to be honest. But at least it is for her child, not her.

If your family come back to you complaining, go no contact. It's not their business at all.

Whykea · 14/07/2022 12:17

A grandparent who would grudge such a opportunity for their own grandchild, in favour of a larger house for themselves, is not really a reasonable person so I actually wouldn't be concerned with what they think.

You seem very reasonable and kind and I think that it would be a lovely thing to do for your niece if you think it is thebright thing for her. Think about the positive benefit for your niece and not about the negatives thoughts which may ot may not come from your family in thr future.

YankeeDad · 14/07/2022 12:17

SarahSissions · 14/07/2022 12:01

You’re very kind and should absolutely do this. Whether your niece gets a bursary or not her mum should just bat questions away with “yes you’re right it’s expensive, she has a scholarship, but the other expenses are still high? Would you like to help out with uniform” I’m sure if any questions about money get batted back with a request your cheeky family will butt out.

Brilliant idea! This will discourage other family members from discussing the topic, without any requirement to speak an untruth.

Classicblunder · 14/07/2022 12:18

What would give me pause is:

Can you afford it factoring in likely fee increases etc? It is a huge multi year commitment

What would happen if you lost your job/became ill?

What impact would it have on your kids? Would you not be able to afford things for them in the future as a result?

You sound so lovely but I do think you're being taken advantage of a bit by your niece's mother - I can understand why you're providing some money but paying for childcare is a lot

SheepingStandingUp · 14/07/2022 12:19

I can't get over HER ASKING you to put her child through private school for the next... 15?? years, nearly two decades of you Inc Uni.

Because she's not going to want to drop back to the local comp at 11 is she?

HOWEVER if it won't have an impact on your own life and your kids lives (hat if you come back to England, what if they want to Uni over here? What if you lose your job?) then it's your money. If family ask if you're helping, say we'll I'm doing more than her Dad is, that's for sure.

They don't get an opinion.

MiddleParking · 14/07/2022 12:20

It’s really pretty far from a normal or acceptable thing for her to ask of someone, especially someone who has their own children. I wouldn’t personally (nor would I give your family a penny more), but it’s your money.

ChicCroissant · 14/07/2022 12:21

No, I wouldn't do this. Not because of your family, but it's a big financial commitment and you can never be sure of the future.

Paying for your niece in the future isn't going to change your past, or your brother's past. I don't think you'll get what you want from this, OP.

ClassSize2022 · 14/07/2022 12:22

Wouldn’t your niece qualify for a bursary and you could set up a trust for her for the school fees

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