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To pay even though it will upset my whole family?

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FloAndJoanAreMyMusicHeroes · 14/07/2022 11:03

Name changed for this as I don't know who in my family is on MN.

I'll try to keep it brief but I want to include all the relevant details so as not to drip feed or have to answer the same question multiple times.

TLDR; should we pay school fees for our niece even though it'll upset my whole family?

I'm autistic and really struggled with my mainstream school so when I was 6 my parents applied for, and got me a place, at private school. I received a large bursary as it was not something they could have afforded otherwise. I will always be grateful to them for that decision as it was that which led me to be able to cope in school, go to university, get a well paying job and be able to support them financially now.

I have one brother who is, quite frankly, a shit. Our parents tried to get a place for him at a couple of private schools but he was turned down by both. He holds this against me and I think my parents guilt about how our schooling differed is why they forgive him for every stunt he's pulled and all his shitty behaviour. He has one child with his ex-girlfriend and does absolutely everything he can to avoid giving her any money to raise their daughter. He makes most of his money dealing drugs and does cash in hand work too. He posts all over Facebook about how his daughter is his world, has her name tattooed on his arm, generally makes a big show about being a dad but in reality does as little parenting as possible.

My husband and I take the attitude that they're still family even if my brother and his ex are no longer together and our niece didn't choose to be fathered by a dead beat dad so have financially supported her and her mum since she was born. None of my family know this because I know it would get back to my brother and he would demand that we give him the money. I'm including this not to make us look good but just to explain how we've got to where we are now.

Our niece has been attending pre-school at my old private school (paid by us, very reasonable rates) because it has a good reputation and has meant that her mum has been able to do some steady work. The school have now suggested that her mum apply for a place at the main school for reception onwards. Her mum has seen the difference private schooling made to my life and wants the same for her daughter so has approached us and asked if we'd be willing to pay those fees. She knows it's a large outlay so there's no obligation but it's something we'd like to do. My husband and I live in his home country where state schooling is really good so have no need to send our children private and are both in well paid careers so can afford the fees without problem. Niece's mum is unable to have any more children so we won't have the issue of 'you pay her fees, why not my other child?'. I also suspect that our niece is on the autistic spectrum so want her in a small friendly environment like I was.

My issue really is about the fact that when it comes out to my family that our niece is at my old private school they're going to wonder who's paying for it and probably come to the conclusion that it's us. This will cause a lot of upset and resentment and possibly ruin relationships. My parents often make noise about things they think we should pay for but I'm unwilling to do so (Eg a bigger house when they have a decent sized one that'll suit them into old age) and I'm sure they'll be angry we pay these fees but don't want to buy them everything they want. I'm also concerned that other relations such as cousins will pop up wanting us to pay for their children. We could lie but I'm a terrible liar and it'll almost certainly come out later which would then cause further upset.

So do I want to set a child up in a school I trust and that will look after her but potentially upset my whole family or do we say no and put my immediate family's feelings first?

OP posts:
Rainbowshit · 14/07/2022 12:22

Your SIL applies for a bursary/scholarship and make that known to everyone.

If she gets it all good, if not just don't say anything and let folk assume she did get it then you pay the fees.
What a generous thing for you to do.

SheepingStandingUp · 14/07/2022 12:22

trying to facilitate the private education of his daughter without consulting him about which school she goes to (how would you feel if someone tried to arrange your DCs education without including you?) Well the Mom, primary carer, is sorting it, op is at most writing a check. If I was a feckless disengaged mother and DH had primary custody, I'd accept I probably don't get much say in which school the kids go to.

fudfootedfannybangle · 14/07/2022 12:22

“You’re right, it’s IS my old school. I told ex-SIL all about it and told her about bursaries. I even phoned them once as ex-alumni to ask about it”.

100% god’s honest truth! 😂

ClassSize2022 · 14/07/2022 12:22

I should say my Nephew dropped out of private school at the age of 16. And now works in a supermarket as a security guard. He’s happy but I don’t think Private school added much value to him.

billy1966 · 14/07/2022 12:22

WeAreBob · 14/07/2022 12:04

Just let the mum tell your brother that she was awarded the bursery just like you were. That's how she knew about it and decided to try for it.

You can always have a word with the school that your payment arrangement with them is confidential. It has nothing to do with her schooling so no need to disclose it to her dad.

This could be an alternative.

Inwould think the truth coming out would be a great opportunity to put distance between you and your family.

You need to develop stronger boundaries.

MiniPiccolo · 14/07/2022 12:23

Wow. Her Mum really landed on her feet didn't she? What does her Mum do to better her own life or her daughter's, OP?

goldfinchonthelawn · 14/07/2022 12:24

Tell your niece's mum that a condition of you paying is that she doesn't tell anyone you are financing it. Ask her to say,m if anyone asks, that it's a full bursary. That's not even a lie. It's just a private bursary granted by an auntie. If your niece does well, she might get awarded a partial bursary anyway and you could top it up.

PragmaticWench · 14/07/2022 12:27

If your ex SIL is looking at bursaries then they will go through her income. Make sure your financial support for her doesn't go into her main account as you don't want that included in her income to be assessed against.

Also, if you suspect asd, is the mum looking into that?

BungleandGeorge · 14/07/2022 12:31

PragmaticWench · 14/07/2022 12:27

If your ex SIL is looking at bursaries then they will go through her income. Make sure your financial support for her doesn't go into her main account as you don't want that included in her income to be assessed against.

Also, if you suspect asd, is the mum looking into that?

It’s fraud not to declare all income and help with school fees.
My concern would be your own children. Are you on a high enough income that you can give them equivalent experiences to your niece? What if they want to go abroad to uni or things change financially in your current country?

saraclara · 14/07/2022 12:33

Another one concerned that your SIL sees you as a money tree. Not only are you committing to up to 15 years of payments, you're also opening yourself up to more requests from her.

Is private education in the country where they live, particularly inexpensive compared to the UK?

OooErr · 14/07/2022 12:34

Your brother and parents have ZERO say in where you spend your money. You sound like a kind and generous person.

However have you considered whether you can afford this for the next 15+ years? Private school in the UK (assuming that's where your niece is!) is a very big commitment. What happens if you lose your jobs? Or want to go on holiday, or retire early? Maybe your new country has great benefits, so all of this isn't a problem.

Also consider that school fees increase annually, and with the current COL in the UK it's probable that very small independents might close shop. The only remaining ones would be very expensive, are you happy to fund that?

Everyone around you, including your niece's mother I'm sorry to say has their hands out. You're already seen as a cash cow, the 'rich relatives'.

OooErr · 14/07/2022 12:36

Also OP why are you so sure that your children want to go to university in your home country? I'm sure there are brilliant institutions, but many of the best students go abroad no matter what country they are from depending on their chosen field of study.

Would they be happy that you can't give them any money, because you spent it all on your niece?

SirVixofVixHall · 14/07/2022 12:36

SarahSissions · 14/07/2022 12:01

You’re very kind and should absolutely do this. Whether your niece gets a bursary or not her mum should just bat questions away with “yes you’re right it’s expensive, she has a scholarship, but the other expenses are still high? Would you like to help out with uniform” I’m sure if any questions about money get batted back with a request your cheeky family will butt out.

I agree with this.

OooErr · 14/07/2022 12:39

Also to add OP - PP and I don't mean to sound negative.
Just that paying for private school isn't anything like buying a car, for instance. You don't just hand the money over.
It's a major, long-term financial commitment that people do a lot of planning for. It even appears on mortgage applications.
And it can be very difficult to take kids out of a school if they're already used to the environment.

Once you commit there can be the expectation that you'll see it through no matter what. If anything goes wrong sounds like you'll be blamed, nobody seems to have any gratitude for what you've already done and how generous you are.

SunshineAndFizz · 14/07/2022 12:42

How lovely you're supporting your niece. This could really change her life.

Definitely do it, if it's something you'd like to do (and can). Sod the rest of the selfish family if they complain.

Meraas · 14/07/2022 12:47

Your parents and brother sound awful.

Don't give them a penny.

Help your niece.

MargaretThursday · 14/07/2022 12:48

I think it would be lovely for you to want to do this.

But I think you need to be wary.
Her mum came to you, so she's obviously happy to ask. What when she comes to you saying her dd wants to go on thus very expensive school trip, can't afford the uniform etc?
You're committing to at least £200k over the next 13 years-then she may expect uni fees.
What happens if you loose your job, or indeed have children yourself who would benefit from private school etc.
It is a huge commitment and I think one you could well end up resenting, however lovely you are.

MrMrsJones · 14/07/2022 12:53

Meraas · 14/07/2022 12:47

Your parents and brother sound awful.

Don't give them a penny.

Help your niece.

This ^

Divebar2021 · 14/07/2022 12:53

Who the hell asks someone to pay for private school for their child? What a CF. It’s not a life saving operation but a big chunky commitment. Are state schools in her area so terrible? The fact that it was right for you doesn’t mean it’s right for your niece. I’d certainly not do this but would definitely provide lots of enrichment activities like riding, tennis etc and maybe tutors down the line if necessary.

SummerNightsDriftingAway · 14/07/2022 12:54

10HailMarys · 14/07/2022 11:36

Is there any reason why you think your niece really wouldn't thrive in a private school? I realise that you had a positive experience, but your niece is not you. If your niece is in the UK, most state schools are perfectly fine and will have pupils on the autistic spectrum.

If you want to pay for her, pay for her - her mum can pretend she's on a scholarship if need be. But I think talking about private school as if it's something your niece really needs, rather than something nice to have, isn't really accurate. I'm wondering if you might be projecting a little bit.

It's fantastic that you're helping to support your niece financially so she doesn't suffer as as result of her dad's lack of effort - but kids with loving, responsible dads don't automatically go to private school either! Most of them go to an ordinary state school and are fine. So while I think you're amazing for the support you give your niece and her mother, I'm sure that could continue without paying for private schooling.

This. In spades.

SummerNightsDriftingAway · 14/07/2022 12:55

But I also agree with a PP who said that they have a discomfort that your niece's mum asked...that is presumptuous.

Is she genuinely grateful for the support you provide? Or expectant?

saraclara · 14/07/2022 12:57

You're committing to at least £200k over the next 13 years

If that's the kind of money involved, I would be very concerned about your own kids being resentful in the future. It's no good saying 'they've no right to be, it's your money' but if they discover that their cousin had had this sort of money poured into them, while they've had a state school education, and it turns out there's no money for them to be supported on something specific like studying abroad or something to do with a specific career, it would be a very human response to feel hurt.

mam0918 · 14/07/2022 12:58

Unless she has had her uterus and ovaries removed and is completely opposed to surrogacy and adoption etc... then you cant possibly say she will have no more children - thats a bizaare statement to make, although why you think would be responsible for this child or especially any other thats not even related to you is wierd too.

We are a doublely infertile couple (Anovulatory PCOS and severe tetrozospermia) who tried for over a decade and needed IVF but still managed to have 3 spontanious pregnancies too.

2 of my friends are infertile too and both managed to get pregnant naturally, infertile does not mean sterile and even many sterilisation options fail + their are other 'non traditional' routes to parenthood people turn too.

I would say dont pay it, its a really odd thing to do in my opinion + it sounds blatently like you are being used (possibly because the mother knows you are autistic and saw you as an easy target) but this is NOT your responsability.

Subaru4336 · 14/07/2022 13:00

Glitterspy · 14/07/2022 11:11

That’s an amazing gesture but she’s not your child. If her parents want her to go private, they need to pay.

@Glitterspy Where on earth is that rule written?! The school certainly won't care where the money comes from, and in actual fact, if applying for bursaries, will ask if fees can be paid by others in the family.

@FloAndJoanAreMyMusicHeroes I think it's a lovely gesture, and if it's something you can afford and are happy with, it's really no-one else's business.

The only caution I'd have is with regards to your children, how will they feel (and maybe not now, but when they're older) about this?

Carrotmum · 14/07/2022 13:05

My concern is that like OP’s the mum came to you and asked, so pre school then private school then University maybe? What about uniform and extra costs is mum going to be able to cover those? What if the mum gets in a new relationship will you continue then, what if brother has more kids will you help them. What if your own financial situation changes at any point during your niece’s school days. If mum was struggling to put food on the table or keep a roof over your niece’s head I could understand you wanting to help ( even though it should be your brother’s responsibility) but no one needs a private school education. We help out financially in a similar situation within our family but no way would we pay private school fees.