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To pay even though it will upset my whole family?

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FloAndJoanAreMyMusicHeroes · 14/07/2022 11:03

Name changed for this as I don't know who in my family is on MN.

I'll try to keep it brief but I want to include all the relevant details so as not to drip feed or have to answer the same question multiple times.

TLDR; should we pay school fees for our niece even though it'll upset my whole family?

I'm autistic and really struggled with my mainstream school so when I was 6 my parents applied for, and got me a place, at private school. I received a large bursary as it was not something they could have afforded otherwise. I will always be grateful to them for that decision as it was that which led me to be able to cope in school, go to university, get a well paying job and be able to support them financially now.

I have one brother who is, quite frankly, a shit. Our parents tried to get a place for him at a couple of private schools but he was turned down by both. He holds this against me and I think my parents guilt about how our schooling differed is why they forgive him for every stunt he's pulled and all his shitty behaviour. He has one child with his ex-girlfriend and does absolutely everything he can to avoid giving her any money to raise their daughter. He makes most of his money dealing drugs and does cash in hand work too. He posts all over Facebook about how his daughter is his world, has her name tattooed on his arm, generally makes a big show about being a dad but in reality does as little parenting as possible.

My husband and I take the attitude that they're still family even if my brother and his ex are no longer together and our niece didn't choose to be fathered by a dead beat dad so have financially supported her and her mum since she was born. None of my family know this because I know it would get back to my brother and he would demand that we give him the money. I'm including this not to make us look good but just to explain how we've got to where we are now.

Our niece has been attending pre-school at my old private school (paid by us, very reasonable rates) because it has a good reputation and has meant that her mum has been able to do some steady work. The school have now suggested that her mum apply for a place at the main school for reception onwards. Her mum has seen the difference private schooling made to my life and wants the same for her daughter so has approached us and asked if we'd be willing to pay those fees. She knows it's a large outlay so there's no obligation but it's something we'd like to do. My husband and I live in his home country where state schooling is really good so have no need to send our children private and are both in well paid careers so can afford the fees without problem. Niece's mum is unable to have any more children so we won't have the issue of 'you pay her fees, why not my other child?'. I also suspect that our niece is on the autistic spectrum so want her in a small friendly environment like I was.

My issue really is about the fact that when it comes out to my family that our niece is at my old private school they're going to wonder who's paying for it and probably come to the conclusion that it's us. This will cause a lot of upset and resentment and possibly ruin relationships. My parents often make noise about things they think we should pay for but I'm unwilling to do so (Eg a bigger house when they have a decent sized one that'll suit them into old age) and I'm sure they'll be angry we pay these fees but don't want to buy them everything they want. I'm also concerned that other relations such as cousins will pop up wanting us to pay for their children. We could lie but I'm a terrible liar and it'll almost certainly come out later which would then cause further upset.

So do I want to set a child up in a school I trust and that will look after her but potentially upset my whole family or do we say no and put my immediate family's feelings first?

OP posts:
Itsinyourhand · 14/07/2022 13:06

I think you should support your niece regardless and I’m thrilled that you are playing such an important role in her life. It’s great.

my little girl starts school in September and has just been diagnosed with autism. She is going up to reception with all her preschool class so I’m not too worried about her but I will be watching to make sure she’s happy. She had a language delay but is now meeting milestones and seems to learn well. The thing I want most for her is confidence and happiness, if you have any tips, they will be gratefully received. I appreciate this isn’t what you came here for! But I am so keen to give her the best start I can. We could afford private school if we had to find the money.

thank you for reading.

Aquamarine1029 · 14/07/2022 13:09

My issue really is about the fact that when it comes out to my family that our niece is at my old private school they're going to wonder who's paying for it and probably come to the conclusion that it's us. This will cause a lot of upset and resentment and possibly ruin relationships.

Who cares if they know it's you? Honestly, stop caring about what other people think. You are free to spend your money in any way you see fit.

My parents often make noise about things they think we should pay for but I'm unwilling to do so (Eg a bigger house when they have a decent sized one that'll suit them into old age) and I'm sure they'll be angry we pay these fees but don't want to buy them everything they want.

Your parents are absolutely horrible. I'm sorry, but it's true. They are taking total advantage of you, and you don't owe them anything.

I'm also concerned that other relations such as cousins will pop up wanting us to pay for their children. We could lie but I'm a terrible liar and it'll almost certainly come out later which would then cause further upset.

They'll get over it, won't they? Op, you sure do waste an incredible amount of emotional energy worrying about what other people may do or think. I'm exhausted just reading this. Pay for your niece's schooling, to hell with the rest of them.

Confusion101 · 14/07/2022 13:19

Carrotmum · 14/07/2022 13:05

My concern is that like OP’s the mum came to you and asked, so pre school then private school then University maybe? What about uniform and extra costs is mum going to be able to cover those? What if the mum gets in a new relationship will you continue then, what if brother has more kids will you help them. What if your own financial situation changes at any point during your niece’s school days. If mum was struggling to put food on the table or keep a roof over your niece’s head I could understand you wanting to help ( even though it should be your brother’s responsibility) but no one needs a private school education. We help out financially in a similar situation within our family but no way would we pay private school fees.

This ☝️☝️☝️

Think of the long term. It would be an amazing thing to do but a convo needs to happen (with DH and with SIL) around what happens if you can no longer afford it, if circumstances change, if your children need the money instead.... A lot of ifs and possibles scenarios to think about!

It is ultimately your money to do what you want with. Your family may find out and may get angry with you, you need to weigh up if it's worth that risk. Only you can answer that even though they have absolutely no right to be annoyed over how you spend your own money!

Andylion · 14/07/2022 13:19

If your niece was given a bursary, would your alumna discount still apply?
Regardless, I would encourage her mother to apply for a bursary as, like a pp, I think it she is cheeky asking you to pay for this, and she needs to take some responsibility for her daughter going private. I would worry that she is setting you up to pay for her daughter for her entire education and beyond.

bluebunny1 · 14/07/2022 13:24

What a wonderful, kind gesture OP. You should absolutely do it. Make an arrangement with your sister in law and keep it low key. If your parents start questioning your financial priorities versus buying a home for them, just calmly reflect their comments back at them: "you are saying you don't want me to provide valuable educational support to your grandchild, who has her whole life ahead of her?". I disagree with posters who suggest you should hide behind bursary stories. You are not doing anything wrong and shouldn't have to put up with the discomfort of half-truths. Just don't make a big deal out of it and respond calmly and firmly to anyone who asks. It is a bi-lateral arrangement between you and SIL, no one else's business.

NotSoLittle · 14/07/2022 13:28

I think you sound like a lovely person OP and what you spend your money on is up to you and your DH, not your wider family.

But (and it's a big "but") as others have said this is a big long-term financial commitment. You said that uni is free where you live, but it used to be here too - things can change. You said your DCs can stay with you while they go to uni - what if they want to study abroad or something? What about when they need money for a rental/house deposit? What if either you or DH wanted to take early retirement/got sick/made redundant? And as someone else said, what if your brother fathers another child?

I think you would be really compromising your immediate family's financial future unless the bursary covers all the fees with you just topping up to pay for things like uniform and sports kit etc.

If your SIL doesn't get a full bursary, you could always offer something towards extra tuition/support for neice if necessary, or child-care to help SIL remain in full-time employment.

(TBH your extended family sound really grabby -from your parents wanting you to buy them a bigger house (!) to SIL asking you to pay for private school)

BTW - your brother had oportunities which he messed up - that's on him, not you, so stop feeling guilty.

DogInATent · 14/07/2022 13:35

@FloAndJoanAreMyMusicHeroes - speak to the school about you providing an anonymous scholarship/bursary that your niece magically happens to qualify for. Your connection to the school can explain why her mother chose to approach them to see if there was any support available.

FOTB · 14/07/2022 13:38

How did you end up in the position of paying for private pre-school in the first place? Whose idea was that?

If you're absolutely loaded, pay for school, but if you're 'just' comfortable, think twice. You have your own DC - what if one of them had an accident and needed expensive care/assisted living? You can't plan for everything.

You said you think your niece might be on the spectrum too - what about your DC? Do they have any additional needs now or are you confident they're neurotypical?

This is a huge commitment that will only get bigger with each year that passes. Just be sure this is something you're happy to do without conditions.

I don't blame the woman for asking - the father of her child is a waste of space, so I can see her feeling entitled to seek support from an alternative member of his family - but you should be sure you really want to do so, and you go in with your eyes wide open.

Poyyu23 · 14/07/2022 13:42

I wouldn’t. Not because the family issues but simply because that’s a lot of money. That money should be spent on your children and not your niece. The state schools in the UK are fine. Your kids will need the money down the line or you will. It’s completely unreasonable to ask you to do this.

protoctist · 14/07/2022 13:44

Maybe your family will be upset because they know you are being fleeced. I cannot imagine anyone I know having this level of cheeky fuckery to ask someone to pay this level of cash year after year and all the extras that come with it, despite it being far from a necessity. Perhaps your family sees this? In the end you won't get any thanks for it, mark my words.

SaltFlakes · 14/07/2022 13:49

To answer your question, yes if you can afford it and are willing, by all means do it. It's the most wonderfully kind thing you could do for someone, and is the highest form of altruism - empowering someone to stand on their own two feet and succeed in life.

If anyone has a problem with that, it would be highly unfortunate, but not something you should care about. You don't owe anyone anything, and you certainly don't owe anyone not to help another human being, especially family.

As a practical solution, you might talk to the school and get them to offer a 'bursary' which you'll secretly fund. That way niece's mother wouldn't tell anyone the money's from you.

diddl · 14/07/2022 13:49

So you are supporting your parents, your niece & her mum?

Goodness!

How did your niece even end up there?

There must have been other places she could have gone to that would have allowed her mum to do "steady work"?

How did it all come about?

DogInATent · 14/07/2022 13:50

Mumsnet, where no good deed goes uncriticised...

HollowTalk · 14/07/2022 13:50

At first I thought I would do it, but then I reread it and saw: "Her mum has seen the difference private schooling made to my life and wants the same for her daughter so has approached us and asked if we'd be willing to pay those fees."

We all want things for our children but wanting someone else to provide them is a completely different thing. As others have said: think of the implications. There will be other costs involved - uniform, trips etc. What happens if you or your husband were made redundant or became ill and couldn't work? What if one of your own children needed help? What if you died - would your husband be happy to continue to pay for it? You are talking about a very very long commitment. Those fees would be a fantastic house deposit for your own children.

If your SIL were to ask whether you could buy the uniform, that would be very different, but asking you to fund an education from a very young age up until 18 is far too much to ask. She needs to apply for a bursary and look at other schools.

Baggyeye · 14/07/2022 13:51

@FloAndJoanAreMyMusicHeroes Our niece has been attending pre-school at my old private school (paid by us, very reasonable rates) because it has a good reputation and has meant that her mum has been able to do some steady work

Who propsed this set up? Was it you? If so, you have planted the seed in the Mum's mind that you are willing to pay. Are you sure you AND your husband are onboard to pay £££ school fees for the next 12 years when your niece isn't small & cute but could be an awkward or unappreciative teenager because it would be cruel to pull funding from her midway?

Are you projecting about your own upbringing? How do you know what her state options are like or are you writing off ALL state schools in the UK? You are potentially diagnosing her without professional credentials I assume?

cheninblanc · 14/07/2022 13:53

Your a lovely auntie and you should do what you want to do. If the family can't see your kindness and take it badly that's on them

abblie · 14/07/2022 13:54

I'm worried you might slightly be taken advantage off. Offering is one thing but to be asked is another especially if the mother is working and not willing to offer anything towards it even if its only a small amount. But like most in this thread it's your money

Jetstream · 14/07/2022 13:56

OP, I wish that I’d someone as inspirational and supportive in my life. I’m dyslexic and spent my life being told that I couldn’t do science/ maths/ academia / woodwork / anything. As it turns I actually can do some of them.
It also turns out my family just want me to be the family servant mostly running around after our mother. so I would tell the family to mind their own business.
I would get a contract though just to cover all the bases. Including should your circumstances change and what is and isn’t included.
In future years when your niece is a world renounced expert in her chosen field you will be able yo take some credit.

GelatoQueen · 14/07/2022 13:59

OP I think you need to separate your fantastic experience to that of your niece. Is there a particular reason why private school is better for her? Frankly at primary school eg the state offerings tend to be good except when in very deprived communities / with children with lots of additional needs / if there is an issue for a child which cannot be met well at the state school.

I wouldn't pay the fees simply because you don't know what is in the future. You may need to relocate. Niece's mum may marry and there may be other children / step children to take into account. Family dynamics will change. What happens if they move and want you to pay for a different more expensive school.What happens if your niece doesn't do well at private school - will you resent forking out the money?

if you wanted to do something I would consider opening a bank account for your niece and putting a small regular amount of money in it that she can access when she's older (for support at uni, for driving lessons etc) as I'm pretty sure her dad won't be paying for these based on what you've add

Baggyeye · 14/07/2022 14:11

if you wanted to do something I would consider opening a bank account for your niece and putting a small regular amount of money in it that she can access when she's older (for support at uni, for driving lessons etc) as I'm pretty sure her dad won't be paying for these based on what you've add

@FloAndJoanAreMyMusicHeroes I agree with the above, by all means put something in place to help support her in future but paying for years of schooling (when you just don't know 100% that your circumstances will allow or that you & your husband will continue to want to do so does not sound sensible)Presumably your brother had her in the last 4 years if she's pre-school age who's to say he won't have another 3 children in the next 3 years? How old are your own DC? They get expensive as they grow up - not necessarily school fees - but trips, clubs, tech, extra lessons, music, sports kit, driving lessons, Uni....i bet you would question the school fees of your niece if you want to buy your own kids e.g. their first car or help with a house deposit

Also just because you enjoyed being at that school 20-35 years ago (?) does not mean that's what it's like now.

AbbieLexie · 14/07/2022 14:43

Unbelievable sense of entitlement from your family. It feels like they want your niece to fail. Its a private arrangement so there is no need for anyone to know. I would love to be able to do what you are doing for my family.

Okaaaay · 14/07/2022 14:49

What a lovely thing to want to do. Frankly, your family sound entitled and uncaring - I would 100% risk the upset to allow a little girl the amazing opportunities you had. Genuinely, it’s a case of ‘non of your business’ if they ask whether you’re doing it. Play it with a straight bat - ‘yes I’m supporting a vulnerable child, what exactly is your concern’.

FoilWrappedBiscuit · 14/07/2022 14:55

Are the state schools in their area really that dire? The kids who went to private school in our family all ended up getting worse grades / careers than the ones who attended regular state schools. It's not a given that it will benefit her. Plus it's an enormous ongoing financial commitment. What if your circumstances change?

LadyLolaRuben · 14/07/2022 14:56

You sound lovely. You know the huge benefit this will bring to your neice. Its your money, you spend it how you see fit. Why let your neice suffer for the sake of the others? No good will come from doing that

diddl · 14/07/2022 15:10

Why let your neice suffer for the sake of the others?

It's not a given that Op's niece will suffer by not having all her education at private school(s).

Op could for example pay for private tuition in the future if necessary.

I do agree with you though that if Op really wants to do it then she should, regardless of what other family members think.

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