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To pay even though it will upset my whole family?

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FloAndJoanAreMyMusicHeroes · 14/07/2022 11:03

Name changed for this as I don't know who in my family is on MN.

I'll try to keep it brief but I want to include all the relevant details so as not to drip feed or have to answer the same question multiple times.

TLDR; should we pay school fees for our niece even though it'll upset my whole family?

I'm autistic and really struggled with my mainstream school so when I was 6 my parents applied for, and got me a place, at private school. I received a large bursary as it was not something they could have afforded otherwise. I will always be grateful to them for that decision as it was that which led me to be able to cope in school, go to university, get a well paying job and be able to support them financially now.

I have one brother who is, quite frankly, a shit. Our parents tried to get a place for him at a couple of private schools but he was turned down by both. He holds this against me and I think my parents guilt about how our schooling differed is why they forgive him for every stunt he's pulled and all his shitty behaviour. He has one child with his ex-girlfriend and does absolutely everything he can to avoid giving her any money to raise their daughter. He makes most of his money dealing drugs and does cash in hand work too. He posts all over Facebook about how his daughter is his world, has her name tattooed on his arm, generally makes a big show about being a dad but in reality does as little parenting as possible.

My husband and I take the attitude that they're still family even if my brother and his ex are no longer together and our niece didn't choose to be fathered by a dead beat dad so have financially supported her and her mum since she was born. None of my family know this because I know it would get back to my brother and he would demand that we give him the money. I'm including this not to make us look good but just to explain how we've got to where we are now.

Our niece has been attending pre-school at my old private school (paid by us, very reasonable rates) because it has a good reputation and has meant that her mum has been able to do some steady work. The school have now suggested that her mum apply for a place at the main school for reception onwards. Her mum has seen the difference private schooling made to my life and wants the same for her daughter so has approached us and asked if we'd be willing to pay those fees. She knows it's a large outlay so there's no obligation but it's something we'd like to do. My husband and I live in his home country where state schooling is really good so have no need to send our children private and are both in well paid careers so can afford the fees without problem. Niece's mum is unable to have any more children so we won't have the issue of 'you pay her fees, why not my other child?'. I also suspect that our niece is on the autistic spectrum so want her in a small friendly environment like I was.

My issue really is about the fact that when it comes out to my family that our niece is at my old private school they're going to wonder who's paying for it and probably come to the conclusion that it's us. This will cause a lot of upset and resentment and possibly ruin relationships. My parents often make noise about things they think we should pay for but I'm unwilling to do so (Eg a bigger house when they have a decent sized one that'll suit them into old age) and I'm sure they'll be angry we pay these fees but don't want to buy them everything they want. I'm also concerned that other relations such as cousins will pop up wanting us to pay for their children. We could lie but I'm a terrible liar and it'll almost certainly come out later which would then cause further upset.

So do I want to set a child up in a school I trust and that will look after her but potentially upset my whole family or do we say no and put my immediate family's feelings first?

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coffeecupsandfairylights · 14/07/2022 15:12

You sound lovely but I can't get over the fact that your ex-SIL approached you and asked you to pay for her DD's school fees!

TowelChair · 14/07/2022 15:16

It’s entirely your money, but I think you could consider a trust or advance fee payment scheme to pay the school directly. Then deny you’re paying if challenged by your parents or brother. “We’re not paying school fees for any children at present”… cos you’ve already paid them in the past.

Can the mother access a bursary herself to bring the fees down?

My only reservation would be if your own income stream changes in future. You don’t know what’s around the corner and your own kids would take precedent over your niece from a financial point of view. Do you 100% know you can pay the full 12 years?

TarasHarp55 · 14/07/2022 15:20

Gosh how kind and caring are you. If you want to do that for your niece do it. Why it should cause resentment is beyond me. Some people have a problem with everything. Just ignore.

Emmelina · 14/07/2022 15:25

That’s such a nice thing to do, but you really need to be sure of everything. It won’t just be the fees - the uniform, the trips, anything medical will all be extra. This will potentially be up to university age. And will your alumnus discount actually apply if it’s not your own progeny?

2bazookas · 14/07/2022 15:28

when it comes out to my family that our niece is at my old private school they're going to wonder who's paying for it and probably come to the conclusion that it's us.

Let them think the school awarded her a generous bursary , just like they did to you.

CharlotteOH · 14/07/2022 15:54

Yanbu. Niece should apply for a bursary based on her mum’s single parent income. She will definitely get one, I don’t know how much. You pay the rest. If anyone asks why she’s there you reply “she has a generous bursary” which is not a lie so hopefully you can carry it off. If they ask directly if you are paying as well you say “we help out occasionally but I find it’s so crass talking about money behind people’s backs, never leads to good feeling does it, glad she was able to go there though it’s lovely for autism, I wonder if she’s on the spectrum” and then drone on in great monotonous detail about autism (or any other subject you fancy) until their eyes glaze over.

43prego · 14/07/2022 15:54

You are investing in the next generation OP. Well done. Our niece is on at least one scholarship : yours.

43prego · 14/07/2022 15:55

What a lapsus

AtwilightRebellion · 14/07/2022 16:43

It is lovely of you OP.

But unless you are so wealthy that these fees will be a mere drop in the ocean of your annual outgoings, I wouldn't do it.

I also find the ex of your db approaching you about this quite jaw dropping.

Why not pay for extra activities like ballet/tennis/karate....... This is more in line with what a loving family member would do if well off and niece or nephew are growing up in a single parent home where money is tight and the father (your db) doesn't provide enough.

It is such a long term responsibility and financial burden as i said, unless you are Jeff Besos and you would never notice.

Lilithslove · 14/07/2022 17:16

Up to you what you spend your money on op but I feel like you're being taken advantage of by your sil a bit. I feel like she sees you as a bit of a soft touch. It seems like you are surrounded by people who feel entitled to your money.

I'd also be pretty upset if my parents had shelled out for one of cousins to go to private school while I was at state school.

HairyScaryMonster · 14/07/2022 17:24

I think the mum says it's a bursary and hopefully that covers the questions. You can say your topping it up if it comes to it but imply its a minor amount? I'd deal with upset if I thought a child I cared about would have a brighter future.

MargaretThursday · 14/07/2022 17:34

Be aware that if she gets awarded a bursary, then gets a job with better pay, the bursary will go down. I suspect you'll then find she's expecting you to pay the increase.
Also if she changes school, she might not get a bursary at the next school.

I think it's lovely you're considering it, but there is a heck of a lot to go wrong and you will end up being the bad man on all sides.

My parents often make noise about things they think we should pay for but I'm unwilling to do so (Eg a bigger house when they have a decent sized one that'll suit them into old age)
I'd put your sil asking for school fees as comparable with this. She's asking for you to pay for a private school when there are state schools around (you haven't said her local one is failing) that will probably suit her dd fine. Both are asking for considerable amount of money for something that isn't necessary nor your responsibility to pay for.

There are private schools round here I'd have loved to use for my dc, and ones where I'd rather send them to any state school locally, so you can't assume that this one private school will necessarily be better than the state school she would go to.
If she was asking if you'd help by paying after school fees so she can get a better job/more hours then that would be a different thing to me.

FloAndJoanAreMyMusicHeroes · 14/07/2022 17:58

So many replies, thank you! I will try to answer questions but will probably miss some so do shout if I've missed yours.

We are not millionaires but my PiL are so we'd never find ourselves without. Obviously I wouldn't ask them to fund a child they've never met and aren't related to but they wouldn't let our family live on the street. They have set up trust funds for all their grandchildren and the last time I looked at them it was an eye watering amount so I don't actually worry about my children's future in the same way I worry about my niece.

My eldest son also has ASD, daughter doesn't and the baby hasn't offered an opinion either way yet. My niece is in the process of diagnosis so I'm not just armchair diagnosing or projecting (about that anyway!).

My SiL didn't approach us about pre-school, that came about from a conversation we had where she said she wanted to go back to work but childcare fees were going to eat all her pay. Husband and I talked it over at length before offering this. She never asked us to fund it. Prior to this we sent some money each month but offered to pay for this instead. I tried not to go into loads of detail in my OP but she hasn't just come to us and said "please pay these fees", it's been a long conversation around niece's potential diagnosis, what would be best for her, whether this school or another would be best. She said right from the beginning that she doesn't want us to say yes without thinking about it and that if we say no nothing will change. The other advantage of private schooling would be the really good after school care which would enable SiL to earn more. I trust and like her a lot. Tbh I don't know what she saw in my brother. Re her having more kids - she had to have a total hysterectomy so there's no chance of another child.
My brother reproducing again isn't something we had considered so thank you to whoever pointed that out. I think it's unlikely, I know he's forced at least one girlfriend to have a termination (he really is a peach) but there's obviously no guarantee. My parents tell me his current girlfriend is putting pressure on him to have a vasectomy as she's sick of the pill so that'll take some of the worry off! I don't think I'm trying to parent his child, I'm just offering her things he won't.

I worry I've made my parents out to be grabby bastards and they're not really. The house thing is an extreme example, we helped them buy their current place because prior to that they'd been in rentals and I just wanted them settled and not worrying about landlords selling or having to beg someone to repair and replace things. They pay the mortgage themselves as the monthly payments are actually less than their previous rent but of course banks would never let them have a mortgage because they couldn't get a deposit together. I think they want to upsize because they see how other people live and want to be like them. They both grew up with nothing so I think they see bigger and more as better. If we thought they needed more we would help them but I actually think they chose their current place for all the right reasons and should stay there. They don't constantly have their hands out asking for things but I do worry that the expectation grows. My brother has said "you should buy this for me" on numerous occasions and has been told to piss off on numerous occasions. My parents are involved in my niece's life, look after her regularly and love her dearly.

Nobody has yet asked me who's funding niece's pre-school place but I think they've assumed SiL is paying now she's back at work.

We will not be moving back to the UK. Our lives are here, my daughter's hobby is here, our eldest has already decided what he wants to study and where, the school system is very different too. If we divorced or my husband died I would stay here as it's been my home for a very long time now and has always been my children's home. Whether my husband would be willing to keep paying in the event of my death is a good question, he's a generous man so I can't see him pulling out but I'll talk to him about it.

I understand that the majority of children attend state school and can thrive there but the local one to her really is awful and I wouldn't feel happy letting her attend it if I'm honest. I think if we decide against the fees we will help SiL to move to an area that has better schools. I know this probably makes me sound like a massive snob now but I just want her to have a good start in life. We suggested helping them move some time ago but SiL liked being close to her mum which we understood, her mum has now moved into a care facility so I don't think she has the same consideration.

I think I will get in touch with the bursar and talk through all the options available to her and us.
I will also consult a lawyer friend to see what they suggest in terms of drawing up an agreement to cover Eg changes in anyone's circumstances, who will cover what extras and what happens if she becomes a surly, ungrateful teenager. I'll also have another conversation with my husband about how we future proof it or offer a different solution to fees.

Thank you to everyone for your opinions, it's certainly given me a lot to think about.

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diddl · 14/07/2022 18:17

My SiL didn't approach us about pre-school, that came about from a conversation we had where she said she wanted to go back to work but childcare fees were going to eat all her pay.

So you offered to pay for your niece to go to the private school because of you attachment to it?

Do you think that your SIL felt it likely that you would offer this?

Or at least to pay childcare for her?

AtwilightRebellion · 14/07/2022 18:33

But OP, sounds like they will fund DN in a way.

Your DH must be very generous by nature and you must feel very secure in your marriage.

If you can support your own children and DN in the event of a marriage breakdown then go for it.

Benefitting in life via wealthy in laws is great but it sounds like they are your buffer and without them you wouldn't be able to be so generous with a relative.

Confusion101 · 14/07/2022 19:54

I find it slightly ironic you give out about your parents wanting to benefit from your wealth when you are benefitting from someone else's wealth 😅 sounds like you are taking a sensible approach in looking into all the possible "what ifs". Only after that can you make a decision that's best for everyone involved! Best of Luck!

FloAndJoanAreMyMusicHeroes · 15/07/2022 10:08

Confusion101 · 14/07/2022 19:54

I find it slightly ironic you give out about your parents wanting to benefit from your wealth when you are benefitting from someone else's wealth 😅 sounds like you are taking a sensible approach in looking into all the possible "what ifs". Only after that can you make a decision that's best for everyone involved! Best of Luck!

We don't have any financial help from my in-laws. If we did I wouldn't even consider paying these fees, that would be beyond cheeky fuckery! I only mentioned it because others asked about whether financing our niece would divert funds and stop my own children buying a car, going travelling or going to university overseas.

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FloAndJoanAreMyMusicHeroes · 15/07/2022 10:13

diddl · 14/07/2022 18:17

My SiL didn't approach us about pre-school, that came about from a conversation we had where she said she wanted to go back to work but childcare fees were going to eat all her pay.

So you offered to pay for your niece to go to the private school because of you attachment to it?

Do you think that your SIL felt it likely that you would offer this?

Or at least to pay childcare for her?

I am very bad at picking up hints or inferences but my husband was part of the initial conversation and he said it was just a normal conversation with no hint from SiL that we should help her out.
Her pre-school choices were a little limited so she asked my opinion and I suggested my old school.

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OooErr · 15/07/2022 10:21

Well OP it looks like you’re financially lucky thanks to your PIL, and as long as there’s no chance of them changing their will or sth you’re good to go. It’s an excellent idea to hire a lawyer and have a legal arrangement, also looking at all the financials.

Ultimately I think if all parties are clear on the arrangement there’s no risk. If your SIL is hardworking and capable of earning more this is a good thing in the long-term.

LuaDipa · 15/07/2022 10:33

I think it’s lovely that you are doing so much to help your dniece when she gets so little support from her father. If only the families of other feckless men were this supportive to those they leave behind.

Bard6817 · 15/07/2022 19:02

I love you OP. I wish there were more people in the world who did this, but i’d settle for people who wish they could do this.

Your money. Your choice.

I think your family don’t respect you anyway due to wealth, the expectation is a big giveaway and something i’ve experienced myself.

Do what you think is right. Not on on the basis i what others a will think of you. I wish you all the happiness in the world.

Liesovertheocean · 15/07/2022 19:03

DNiece at least lucked out in the Aunt dept. If it’s within your financial means then I say go for it and all else be damned. I would dearly love to be able to do this for my family.

ArcticRoll2 · 15/07/2022 19:11

How are you parents for real wanting you to buy them a bigger house 😂?

you need to do what you want, which sounds like to send her to the school. Personally I’d play dumb if I didn’t want the upset with family and act surprised. the nieces mom then needs to come up with a good bullshit story like she applied for some scholarship or whatever and was selected and here’s the main part! she needs to be be good at sticking to her bullshit story!! If the dad is as bad as you say, he is hardly going to start playing Detective Inspector. Make sure the niece knows nothing either as the less people in on it the better. Bobs your uncle.

cookie4640 · 15/07/2022 19:17

I’d just advise mum to say she was extremely lucky, applied for a scholarship and got it. No one should question you on it 💗

JessesMum777888 · 15/07/2022 19:20

I think you sound lovely.
your brother and parents sound like entitled bullies. (Might be too harsh a word but couldn’t think of another,sorry)
why should you pay for their lives ?
if you can comfortably pay for your niece to have a great start in life and it’s something you want to do , do it ! Xxx