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My whole family is full of money grabbers?

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WatermelonSugarRainbow · 10/07/2022 18:57

This is a long one, so bear with me please.

A bit of a background

I am one of three siblings, my sister is a single mother and my brother (much younger, single) holds an ok job. My parents and siblings live in a small town whilst I moved to London to study and work (20 years ago). I'm the only one in the family to go to uni and hold a 'professional' job.

Over the years, I've always treated my mum and siblings - I would take my mum shopping (cashmere jumpers, linen dresses, perfumes, new mobile phones and even a laptop). I took her to Barcelona (all paid long weekend) for her 60th birthday. I'd also take my family out for dinners (to the pub or pizza express - nothing too fancy) and pick up the bill etc. knowing that they were not able to afford it but I just wanted to spend time with them/strenghten our bond.

We booked a holiday cottage with my sister and invited my mum (splitting the cost between us) but she backed out on the day we were meant to leave because her 'car broke down and it was very expensive to fix' so I just asked her to join us the next day. She drove the next day and never mentioned the car but I ended up paying for the accommodation, with my mum saying that it was too expensive for my sister because she's a single mum (even though she agreed to the cost previous to that). I must admit my dp was very angry about this whole situation.

Since I've had my dd, my mum stayed with us for the first couple months to help and I'm really grateful for that. When I went back to work, I've put dd at nursery. Meanwhile when my sister had her son, my mum looked after him until he was 3yo (for free).

After having my second, I asked if my mum would help me with childcare and nursery drop offs and pick ups. I suggested she moves in with us until my son is ready to start nursery (at 2 years old). She asked that I pay her for childcare and we agreed that I would pay her £500 a month whilst covering her food, accommodation etc.

Both me and my husband hold well paid jobs and on the face of it, we are doing really well but we are 'self made' and have huge monthly expenses - mortgage on an expensive house (good area/schools etc.), car loan, student loans (about to be paid off) and credit card debt that we used when we were decorating the house, so £500 per month for childcare is not an insignificant amount for us but it's obviously less than nursery and we agreed because we felt that she was the best person to look after dc to give us a piece of mind.

Since she started looking after children (6 months ago) I've purchased her a few things as 'gifts' like a smart watch, taken out a phone contract with a new handset for her (her phone was old), covered her travel expenses, expensive trainers etc. All in all about £450 worth of things. She also requested to have a 2 week break in June to go home and rest, so I took annual leave to cover that.

Fast forward to now, we booked and paid for her to come on holiday in Spain (first in 2 yrs) to help with childcare and she agreed to that. She's asked my brother to join us in the villa. (I agreed that me and my brother split the villa cost for my mum evenly). On day one of holiday, both my dp and ds became ill, that's when she told me she was 'on holiday' and wasn't going to help. On day 4, my brother demanded we give him money back as he would/should not pay for my mum. He accused me of ripping him off, took out a hammer and threatened to damage the villa, I ended up asking him to leave and gave him all his money back for his share (£400) even though it was already half way through the holiday, as I didn't feel safe having him around.

My mum took his side and demanded that I pay her for childcare in June (I haven't yet done so, as she 'took 2 week off' to go back to her house and only came back to catch a flight with us) she then told me she no longer wanted to look after my children and accused me of being ungrateful and 'not generous' with my family when I said I've spent so much money on this holiday paying for everyone.

I was so upset, at my lowest point with both my partner and my son sick, I've had zero sleep (sharing bedroom with dc whilst my mum and brother had separate bedrooms), I was up all night giving him medication, he was so grumpy and tired all day. I could have done with help specially in terms of my daughter - just someone to take her out as I was pretty much stuck indoors with ds because of fever. The fact that she took my brothers side (who acted like a psycho) and I feel like I've been nothing but generous towards her.

I'm disappointed - I've agreed to pay her when she didn't ask anything from my sister. All my life, I never got given anything - she gave my sister and my brother money for a deposit - I never said anything but I feel that she expects me to pay for her everywhere - every dinner, every drink, every Christmas.

For my 40th birthday, she stayed overnight with dc so that my partner and I could go away for one night (first time since having children). She was already staying with us and paid to do so and said that was her 'present to me'.

I think what it is, is that I feel that I've been generous and paid for lots of things from my mum, so her to demand last month's payment whilst on a fully paid holiday is a bit 'much'.

I owe her money (£250), should I just give her money I owe her, or should I 'deduct' all the cost for 'gifts' (£450) plus the cost of holiday villa and flights (£500) - meaning we would be all square?

Am I being unreasonable deducting gifts and holidays?

OP posts:
DisplayPurposesOnly · 10/07/2022 19:03

You would be unreasonable to deduct gifts.

BigBadBarryBoy · 10/07/2022 19:11

Oh damn, that is well and truly messed up! You do sound like a very generous person, so it’s sad to read that someone you’re supposed to look up to, aka your mum, can treat you like a cash machine. And sadder to read that she’s treated you less favourably that your other siblings simply because (and this is what I’ve interpreted from what you’ve written) you are doing better in your life than your siblings are.

I’m not why your mum is behaving so negatively towards you, and I don’t think it is unreasonable at all to withhold paying her until you believe the total amount she owes you has been cleared. It is not like you are asking her to pay you back for anything, but just to highlight to her that generosity and kindness works both ways, it is never a one-way street!

Hope you and your mum do resolve this and other issues, but she needs to learn and accept and understand that she is not helping the situation, and making it worse, before you can both reconcile with one another fully.

Keep strong babez, and let me know how you resolve it xxxx

JanBabiesBrummyMummy · 10/07/2022 19:11

I think you're being unreasonable. It sounds a bit as if you've taken advantage of your mom here. I'm not sure where else you'd get a live in nanny for £500 a month.

The poor woman has uprooted herself to look after your kids and your were going to deduct money when she wanted a break?

Eviebeans · 10/07/2022 19:12

For the amount you are paying you could get better childcare with less aggravation and emotional stress. Your mum should go back to her own home.

DrManhattan · 10/07/2022 19:12

Gifts are Gifts so you can't deduct for them.
I feel that you have enabled this situation. Its probably worth the extra to have the kids in a nursery. Save on all this drama.

phishy · 10/07/2022 19:13

Just pay her the money but never help or treat your mum or siblings to anything ever again.

00100001 · 10/07/2022 19:14

I think you just need to stop using your .other as childcare from. Pay her for June.

Then let her go back to being Nan, seeing the kids every week or so, and put your kids in nursery or with a childminder.

Stop inviting your mother and siblings on holiday and enjoy your holiday as a family from now on.

Much easier.

FourTeaFallOut · 10/07/2022 19:15

Eviebeans · 10/07/2022 19:12

For the amount you are paying you could get better childcare with less aggravation and emotional stress. Your mum should go back to her own home.

Jesus, a live in travelling nanny for £500 a month? You don't get better than that.

Mindymomo · 10/07/2022 19:17

I’d pay the £250, but after that I wouldn’t be paying for anything else, no gifts or holidays. They assume you will pay for everything without helping out. Your heading says it all and you know it. Let them get on with it and pay off your debts and see how they get on without your help, I certainly wouldn’t be getting your mother a new phone contract, or at least change it to as cheap as you can get, or tell her she can take it over.

Jumpjumpjumper · 10/07/2022 19:18

Let your mum go home and get an au pair. Surely that's less stress.

hurtyb · 10/07/2022 19:18

The whole thing is a bit weird as I don't think you should be relying on your mum so much and clearly it's not helping your relationship. Although I understand that you mean feel it's unfair compared to siblings.

Quitelikeit · 10/07/2022 19:18

This is quite a sad situation. Take the high road. Pay her the £250.

in future you should keep your hands in your pocket.

I would never expect my children to pay me for childcare unless I had given up a job to do it and all had been explicitly agreed.

your childcare bill will be quadrupling now.

seems like your mother was taking you for granted. You don’t owe her a living though!

gamerchick · 10/07/2022 19:18

None of you sound great tbh. They take advantage and it sounds as if you do as well by wanting to buy everyone.

Send your mother home and get proper childcare. No more extravagant gifts and let your relationship develop naturally.

hurtyb · 10/07/2022 19:19

All my life, I never got given anything - she gave my sister and my brother money for a deposit

My mum would never move in with me to provide childcare or come on holiday to help.

bumpytrumpy · 10/07/2022 19:19

Your family dynamic is messed up.

Why are you buying them so many gifts?! There's just no need. Especially when you are in credit card debt and have a large mortgage! Sort yourself out and then Save for your children's future, they are your number 1 priority right now.

I would step back from all the childcare dynamics. You could afford nursery if you were not buying so many gifts and taking ungrateful people on free holidays.

LoudingVoice · 10/07/2022 19:20

You can’t deduct money for gifts, you decided you wanted to buy them.

Were you never expecting your mum to want/need a holiday? You seem surprised/put out by her having a break. A live in nanny is a full time job and should have a leave allowance.

FourTeaFallOut · 10/07/2022 19:20

Fast forward to now, we booked and paid for her to come on holiday in Spain (first in 2 yrs) to help with childcare and she agreed to that. She's asked my brother to join us in the villa. (I agreed that me and my brother split the villa cost for my mum evenly)

So, your DM came along to look after your children but you asked your brother to go 50-50 on the accommodation for your DM. Did he know he was subsidising your child care?

I don't think having family act as staff is a good idea. It's complicated and it jeapordises good relations.

HollowTalk · 10/07/2022 19:21

You realise an au pair would've cost more money than that? Why did you expect your mum to come and live with you for nearly a couple of years for £500 per month? What happened to her house in the meantime?

FatAgainItsLettuceTime · 10/07/2022 19:22

When exactly do you and your siblings plan to allow your mother a life?

She did 3 years childcare for your sister, had moved in with you to look after your 2, did she do childcare for your brother too?

She isn't choosing to have all these children so why is the expectation that she'll look after them?

Narwhalelife · 10/07/2022 19:22

No advice but I do really feel for you.

My mother is exactly the same with my sister. She has never worked has 5 children and is on benefits. I on the other have have 1 DD and me and DH have worked hard .

My mothers pays for everything for my sister, all kids uniforms, shopping, decorating her house, honestly you name it, then has the cheek to say how hard she has it on benefits! My sister is not a single parent either, she lives with her jobless partner. Mother says it’s all for the kids but not when she pays for my sister to have her hair and nails done.

anyway that’s my in sympathy rant!

00100001 · 10/07/2022 19:22

"All my life, I never got given anything - she gave my sister and my brother money for a deposit"

Except subsidised love in childcare saving you probably £1000 a month for 6 months? So you could argue you got £6k from her....

stuckonanlnertrainagain · 10/07/2022 19:23

You need to pay your mum the NMW for childcare plus her pension contributions and employer NI as she is an employee. Are you doing that?

hattie43 · 10/07/2022 19:23

I can relate . I also had a very well paid job and a financially challenged parent

You need to pay your mum what she wants to keep the peace and then find alternative childcare .

I was used as a walking check book for a long time by my mother . She was always broke and I stepped in financially to support her .
What broke the camels back was the Christmas she bought me loads of crap from the pound store and took great delight in showing me what she'd bought herself for Christmas, think Karen Millen, nice watch , jo Malone .

No more . I'm not treated like a mug anymore . I buy nice birthday / Christmas gifts but no handing out large sums of cash .

00100001 · 10/07/2022 19:24

It's also a bit much asking a 60+ year old to do full time love in childcare...

hattie43 · 10/07/2022 19:24

00100001 · 10/07/2022 19:22

"All my life, I never got given anything - she gave my sister and my brother money for a deposit"

Except subsidised love in childcare saving you probably £1000 a month for 6 months? So you could argue you got £6k from her....

Except sister got childcare free