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My whole family is full of money grabbers?

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WatermelonSugarRainbow · 10/07/2022 18:57

This is a long one, so bear with me please.

A bit of a background

I am one of three siblings, my sister is a single mother and my brother (much younger, single) holds an ok job. My parents and siblings live in a small town whilst I moved to London to study and work (20 years ago). I'm the only one in the family to go to uni and hold a 'professional' job.

Over the years, I've always treated my mum and siblings - I would take my mum shopping (cashmere jumpers, linen dresses, perfumes, new mobile phones and even a laptop). I took her to Barcelona (all paid long weekend) for her 60th birthday. I'd also take my family out for dinners (to the pub or pizza express - nothing too fancy) and pick up the bill etc. knowing that they were not able to afford it but I just wanted to spend time with them/strenghten our bond.

We booked a holiday cottage with my sister and invited my mum (splitting the cost between us) but she backed out on the day we were meant to leave because her 'car broke down and it was very expensive to fix' so I just asked her to join us the next day. She drove the next day and never mentioned the car but I ended up paying for the accommodation, with my mum saying that it was too expensive for my sister because she's a single mum (even though she agreed to the cost previous to that). I must admit my dp was very angry about this whole situation.

Since I've had my dd, my mum stayed with us for the first couple months to help and I'm really grateful for that. When I went back to work, I've put dd at nursery. Meanwhile when my sister had her son, my mum looked after him until he was 3yo (for free).

After having my second, I asked if my mum would help me with childcare and nursery drop offs and pick ups. I suggested she moves in with us until my son is ready to start nursery (at 2 years old). She asked that I pay her for childcare and we agreed that I would pay her £500 a month whilst covering her food, accommodation etc.

Both me and my husband hold well paid jobs and on the face of it, we are doing really well but we are 'self made' and have huge monthly expenses - mortgage on an expensive house (good area/schools etc.), car loan, student loans (about to be paid off) and credit card debt that we used when we were decorating the house, so £500 per month for childcare is not an insignificant amount for us but it's obviously less than nursery and we agreed because we felt that she was the best person to look after dc to give us a piece of mind.

Since she started looking after children (6 months ago) I've purchased her a few things as 'gifts' like a smart watch, taken out a phone contract with a new handset for her (her phone was old), covered her travel expenses, expensive trainers etc. All in all about £450 worth of things. She also requested to have a 2 week break in June to go home and rest, so I took annual leave to cover that.

Fast forward to now, we booked and paid for her to come on holiday in Spain (first in 2 yrs) to help with childcare and she agreed to that. She's asked my brother to join us in the villa. (I agreed that me and my brother split the villa cost for my mum evenly). On day one of holiday, both my dp and ds became ill, that's when she told me she was 'on holiday' and wasn't going to help. On day 4, my brother demanded we give him money back as he would/should not pay for my mum. He accused me of ripping him off, took out a hammer and threatened to damage the villa, I ended up asking him to leave and gave him all his money back for his share (£400) even though it was already half way through the holiday, as I didn't feel safe having him around.

My mum took his side and demanded that I pay her for childcare in June (I haven't yet done so, as she 'took 2 week off' to go back to her house and only came back to catch a flight with us) she then told me she no longer wanted to look after my children and accused me of being ungrateful and 'not generous' with my family when I said I've spent so much money on this holiday paying for everyone.

I was so upset, at my lowest point with both my partner and my son sick, I've had zero sleep (sharing bedroom with dc whilst my mum and brother had separate bedrooms), I was up all night giving him medication, he was so grumpy and tired all day. I could have done with help specially in terms of my daughter - just someone to take her out as I was pretty much stuck indoors with ds because of fever. The fact that she took my brothers side (who acted like a psycho) and I feel like I've been nothing but generous towards her.

I'm disappointed - I've agreed to pay her when she didn't ask anything from my sister. All my life, I never got given anything - she gave my sister and my brother money for a deposit - I never said anything but I feel that she expects me to pay for her everywhere - every dinner, every drink, every Christmas.

For my 40th birthday, she stayed overnight with dc so that my partner and I could go away for one night (first time since having children). She was already staying with us and paid to do so and said that was her 'present to me'.

I think what it is, is that I feel that I've been generous and paid for lots of things from my mum, so her to demand last month's payment whilst on a fully paid holiday is a bit 'much'.

I owe her money (£250), should I just give her money I owe her, or should I 'deduct' all the cost for 'gifts' (£450) plus the cost of holiday villa and flights (£500) - meaning we would be all square?

Am I being unreasonable deducting gifts and holidays?

OP posts:
Bananarama21 · 10/07/2022 19:25

You treated her like a hired help, not your mother who babysits occasionally or does school pick ups..moving in and looking after two young children is massive, I think tbh you've taken advantage of her. She assumed the holiday was a treat for giving you bargain childcare and when the dc were ill you've expected her to get to work. You wouldn't get 500 a month live in childcare for two dc, that's less than minium wage! My nursery bill used to be 1000 for one child which was wrap around care.

EmeraldShamrock1 · 10/07/2022 19:25

I'm not sure why your Dbro had toboat for your DM'S accommodation as she was going as childcare.

500 monthly isn't a lot for someone to leave their home and nanny FT.

It's 125 per week for live in work.

Yanbu about the other expenses for meals out etc.

11Hawkins · 10/07/2022 19:25

Way to much expecting a 60+ year old to do full time childcare for £500 a month. You full well know you're taking the piss.

Sapphirejane · 10/07/2022 19:25

This has become a very transactional relationship. I think it would be best if you stopped with the gifts other than birthdays etc, find independent childcare and start seeing your family in each other’s houses, with no money passing hands etc. Rebuild your familial bond on a social rather than financial basis.

StillCuriouser · 10/07/2022 19:26

Just sounds like money has got in the way of your relationship, which is so sad. Perhaps the rest of the family have a chip on their shoulder about your comparative wealth? Can you have a frank conversation with them about it?

ReginaGeorgeismyname · 10/07/2022 19:26

Pay her the £250 to keep the peace but ask her to go home. Pay for professional childcare. This bluring of mother/employee needs to stop, it's not working.

Stop treating everyone. Doesn't sound appreciated, more expected

StillCuriouser · 10/07/2022 19:26

Sapphirejane · 10/07/2022 19:25

This has become a very transactional relationship. I think it would be best if you stopped with the gifts other than birthdays etc, find independent childcare and start seeing your family in each other’s houses, with no money passing hands etc. Rebuild your familial bond on a social rather than financial basis.

And I agree with this entirely.

BMW6 · 10/07/2022 19:27

Pay her the money you owe, stop using her for childcare and don't pay for future holidays, expensive gifts, meals out etc etc.
Minimal contact from here on. You are the cash machine.

EmeraldShamrock1 · 10/07/2022 19:28

Your poor DM bends over backwards for all of her adult DC.

She moved in when you gave birth.

ReginaGeorgeismyname · 10/07/2022 19:29

Why did she need to move in? Do you work anti social hours?

Harridan1981 · 10/07/2022 19:30

You asked your mum to move in with you? Why?

Why did you need childcare on holiday? Sounds like the 'exploitation' is kind of mutual.

FourTeaFallOut · 10/07/2022 19:30

EmeraldShamrock1 · 10/07/2022 19:28

Your poor DM bends over backwards for all of her adult DC.

She moved in when you gave birth.

Op, have you been paying your dm's national insurance contributions?

DelurkingLawyer · 10/07/2022 19:30

Ok the easy bit first: your brother is a psycho and you should go NC with him.

Relatively easy: your sister sounds like she’s taking you for granted. She was expecting to pay for her share of the holiday and should have done so whatever wheedling your mother did on her behalf to make you pay for it all. Time to stop the endless treats and presents except at Christmas and birthday.

Less easy: your mother is also taking you for granted, and behaving as though you are made of money, especially WRT expecting you to treat your siblings. That’s not her decision. I do get the frustration because my DM is the same.

However it sounds as though you expect favours from your mother in return for gifts and treats, and that really muddies the waters. “Gifts are sticky”, as my FIL used to say (meaning that they often aren’t given free of some expectation that goes with them). I think you have to stop the endless treats and gifts but also the thought in your mind that she owes you. Don’t set off the money you owe her against the gifts you gave - that’s really not on.

Put the money you save on the presents, phones and free holidays towards independent childcare.

Butchyrestingface · 10/07/2022 19:33

Are you the one who was put out when you took your mum for a weekend stay at a posh hotel paid for by your "special customer" deal whilst your sister slummed it at Travelodge or some such, and your mum wasn't sufficiently grateful?

Anyhoo, I think YABU on most points except for your brother. What a nutter. I wouldn't be having much to do with him again.

LoudingVoice · 10/07/2022 19:35

Also, stop buying everyone extravagant presents/paying for holidays.

It honestly doesn’t sound like you can really afford it if you’re still paying off student debts and have run up credit card bills to decorate your house - it sounds like you’re pushing the idea on your family that you’re rolling in it when you’re really not.

Mellowyellow222 · 10/07/2022 19:35

You all sound terrible - sorry!

you expected your mum to work on the holiday - so why was your brother paying half of her accommodation?

£5OO a month to give up her life and work I assume very full on hours is dreadful - she sounds like Cinderella!

this arrangement is damaging your relationship. You need to pay for childcare and let your mum get back to her life.

AdoraBell · 10/07/2022 19:38

Aside from the financial aspect it sounds like my late mother. Golden Child could do no wrong and was hard done by, but I wasn’t supposed to have DC after getting married.

I would pay your mum the few hundred pounds and then call it a day, cut back on the cost of gifts, stop doing the treats and do nothing for your brother until he apologises for his aggressive behaviour. He might never apologise but the ball is in his court.

You need to put your DC first and they shouldn’t be exposed to someone wielding a hammer and making threats.

BreadInCaptivity · 10/07/2022 19:40

Sapphirejane · 10/07/2022 19:25

This has become a very transactional relationship. I think it would be best if you stopped with the gifts other than birthdays etc, find independent childcare and start seeing your family in each other’s houses, with no money passing hands etc. Rebuild your familial bond on a social rather than financial basis.

This.

I find your sister and particularly your brothers behaviour pretty appalling.

Your mother I'm not so sure.

Yes she looked after your sister's children but she was not in the same situation as you.

You're really muddying the waters in your relationship by effectively underpaying her quite significantly for childcare but then expecting her to act as a professional employee.

I suspect she's probably quite resentful of that and this is what fuelled her not only to "down tools" on holiday but also support your brother when he was clearly behaving appallingly.

A per the post above I think you need to step back. Pay her the money just to stop the situation escalating further and find new childcare arrangements.

Equally stop with the excessive gift giving/paying for things for all the family. Don't get sucked in to buying joint gifts again.

As a family the boundaries and expectations have become both blurred and "transactional" (to quote above) and frankly you're a part of the problem even though you feel you are being generous.

You need to hit the reset button.

NoseyNellie · 10/07/2022 19:43

Sapphirejane · 10/07/2022 19:25

This has become a very transactional relationship. I think it would be best if you stopped with the gifts other than birthdays etc, find independent childcare and start seeing your family in each other’s houses, with no money passing hands etc. Rebuild your familial bond on a social rather than financial basis.

^This

its very sad that you’ve all ended up in this situation but as much as your family are ‘money grabbers’, you have set up that dynamic with your largesse - this is why parents are advised to not spoil their children or they’ll end up with entitled brats.

Sorry but you need to share the blame on this

GoldenSpiral · 10/07/2022 19:45

I think I would pay the £250 but I would hold off from treating your mother or siblings in the future. If they cut you off, then they have shown their true colours. I'm really sorry your family have treated you this way OP.

icelollycraving · 10/07/2022 19:47

Does she have them full time, like 40 hours a week? You are paying au pair money for a nanny job.

drpet49 · 10/07/2022 19:49

“I think you're being unreasonable. It sounds a bit as if you've taken advantage of your mom here. I'm not sure where else you'd get a live in nanny for £500 a month.

The poor woman has uprooted herself to look after your kids and your were going to deduct money when she wanted a break?”

^I agree. Your taking the piss for £500!

Crazykatie · 10/07/2022 19:49

You have become lady bountiful, your family have become used to having “handouts” now it’s coming back to bite you .They probably are jealous of your success, you need to take one step back, if that means arranging other childcare then do it.
Take holidays with just partner and children, not parents and siblings, relationships change over the years , visit occasionally and leave it at that

slashlover · 10/07/2022 19:50

My mum took his side and demanded that I pay her for childcare in June (I haven't yet done so, as she 'took 2 week off' to go back to her house and only came back to catch a flight with us) she then told me she no longer wanted to look after my children and accused me of being ungrateful and 'not generous' with my family when I said I've spent so much money on this holiday paying for everyone.

Are you saying that you weren't going to pay her for the two weeks she went back home? I'm assuming you were paid for your annual leave? Were you thinking that she would live with you for two years and never, ever go back to her own house in that time?

Replacethis · 10/07/2022 19:50

I would never ask my mum to come live in my house to look after my children all the time. I think you are taking the piss whether you give her £500 a month or not. And she came and stayed with you after you had a baby and helped you with the baby for months and you are moaning she doesn't help you enough help. 😲
Your brother getting a hammer out is crazy, obviously.