To be hopping mad if Rishi gets pm job?

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Simply because he is super rich and his wife evaded tax while we all struggle with the cost of living? How can they let him stand?

This is not a racist thread btw.

Is that a serious question? He’s an MP, he’s trying to be PM. How much do non white people have to do before you can accept they’re committed to the UK? Do you want to resurrect tebbitt’s cricket test????

When I first saw him deliver the Covid briefing, I said to DH "this man's going to be PM" so my initial reaction to him saw absolutely nothing detrimental in his race. I just think there's far too much baggage around him now. The tax, the lack of commitment to the country, the rule breaking and the support for Johnson.

If he gets selected he won't get elected and that's why he won't be selected.

I'd quite like a PM who sees his and his children's future in the UK. Wanting to be PM of a country you don't plan to stay in suggests commitment to hisnown ambition, not to the country.

And as PP says, tremendous damage has been done in counties where the elite tend to live abroad once they've done their harm.

@TullyApplebottom does it make it any better if I say that the whole of the Conservative party is currently not committed to the UK? so it might be a question of figuring out who is least likely to sell it off to the highest/lowest bidder. The tory party is as far as I know - mostly white and British. But those who pushed for Brexit mainly did it in order to open the UK up to the multinationals which they couldnt do so long as it was in the EU.

Re writing history, much?

Gordon Brown wanted the top job, and tore the wave of asset inflationary global economy while making some very bad decisions throughout. He presided over the biggest reason why this country has a low pay culture - tax credits. Rather than making employers pay the going rate, he created an underclass of welfare dependent people who could either choose not to work of work for less than the going rate with taxpayer subsidies. His economic policy left this country much less able to weather then financial crisis. And now he pretends to play the elder statesman. A terrible chancellor and a worse PM. Though not a war criminal, i’ll give you that.

Honestly, the vitriol from people who do not understand what they are talking about is actually quite concerning.

It was not tax evasion. It wasn't even tax avoidance. It was tax that there was no requirement to pay.

The non-dom tax rules were introduced by a Labour government, so it's not even like it's a Conservative policy she was benefitting from. The rules became significantly less lucrative under a Conservative government in 2011. Sunak made no changes to those rules at all.

I genuinely struggle why people believe that Indian wealth, generated in India, and kept in India (and for a period of no longer than 15 years) should be taxed in the UK.

Have your views on the Sunaks (although I'm not sure how I feel on judging him by her finances) but before you defend the basis of their views, you might want to make sure you understand the issue.

His children will be UK dom. They will inherit their father's domicile status (and it's likely Rishi will have UK domicile of choice, rather than having retained his father's probably Kenyan dom).

All we know is that Akshata doesn't necessarily view UK as 'home'. That might be because if she divorces Rishi she intends to return to India. That wouldn't be that bizarre.

UK Domicile is very hard to lose if you're born here. It's only right that it is therefore very difficult to acquire too.

I don't think it's about not being white, it's about morals and competency. It is morally wrong to avoid paying tax as a chancellor whether it is legal or not. He broke lockdown laws and does not want to help people who are struggling with the cost of living (which in part he created with dodgy schemes that were not monitored for fraud and a ridiculous amount of QE). I don't think he was even that good as a chancellor to be honest. That is why I wouldn't want him as PM.

This is just mad. It’s made up. There is no evidence at all he or his family plan to leave the UK.
Although given the prevailing attitudes I wouldn’t blame them one bit if they did.

This is way too sophisticated for your audience, my friend

@00865jkk so which current politicians are committed to this country? Are you assuming because he's not white he's less committed, did you think Boris was more committed? I'm sure he only renounced his American citizenship because of taxes.

The political elites in your country who resided abroad did they all hold different citizenships before?

Rishi's wife is Indian but that doesn't mean they want to leave anymore that any politician who appears to be committed can up & leave at some point after they serve.

@plugee just because people might not want Rishi doesn't mean they trusted Boris. I no idea why anyone in their right mind wanted Boris. The Tories now admit they selected him because they could win against Corbyn. We may only miss him because on the whole Boris was too lazy to really do policy.

My concern about the whole of the Conservative party is the extent to which they depend on their financial backers i.e. global multinationals and big business. For example, I would also be against Mogg.

It's tough to pick whichever tory is least like that.

And in terms of course tries, I am originally from Russia and we know how much Russian money came to the UK. It took this war for them to be kicked out of the UK. Sadly they have just gone to Dubai that takes everyone's cash. But yes
, the fact they could basically live in the West did mean they could turn Russia into crap while selling the people nationalistic garbage. It's insulting for them to have criticized the West while ensuring their kids all live here even Putin. But it's similar elsewhere. So I prefer to have a political class that actually has to see what they've done, at least to some extent

I see Johnson’s allies’ smearing is working well. Rees Mogg, Dorries and Jenkyns must be delighted.

Can't stand Rishi with his glossy videos and photo shoots with other people's cars, his/his wife's deliberate avoidance of tax at the same time as raising them to the highest level in 70 years for working people. He will clearly favour the elites and vote for austerity for everyone else.

However, they are all shockingly bad, devoid of ideas and tainted by association with everything that has happened in the Johnson government (hunt tainted by his previous tenure a Health Secretary).

The Tory party are divided and busy fighting each other at a time when the country is in a desperate state. They should all be ashamed of themselves.

@00865jkk but Rishi does seem to be held to a different standard vs Boris. I mean I don't have faith in any of them but don't think we can do worse than Boris

To be fair, the rest of those who have declared they’re standing are bloody awful. There’s not one of them would get close to winning a general election. I’m surprised Suella and Grant (or whatever his real name is) weren’t laughed out of the place.

I expect a sports star or business person to fuck off somewhere else for better opportunities. Politicians need to stay here for the long term, thick or thin, otherwise they are just mercenary turncoats.

Kemi Badenoch is very different from the current crop. Not sure if she’d win an election but she is different (and not just in a random content-free way like Braverman). I speak as a neutral - never voted Tory and don’t ever expect to.

The Suellas and Grants of this world are just there to declare their preferred candidate at a later date. The party will let this play out and use these non-serious candidates to see which horse to back in the last stages - Rishi, Javid or Hunt (unfortunately). Then Braverman and Shapps backing will become useful for the last stages.

He broke the law and he stood with Boris for months and months. He should give it up.

Regardless of whether they evaded or avoided tax in the UK, they lied to the US government each time they entered the US with their green cards whilst the US was not their permanent home. That’s fraudulent. That alone should be enough to bar him from holding public office.

A green card (or, to give it its correct name as they are not even green anymore, an I-551) is for permanent residents in the US. Once you cease to be a permanent resident you lose that status and the card should be surrender. You must not keep hold if it to use as a glorified deluxe tourist visa to visit - which is what they did. Green card holders are required to maintain a main residence in the US. Each time you enter the country as s GC holder (for example, after returning from an overseas holiday) you confirm to the immigration officer that your absence was temporary and that you are not resident elsewhere and that the US is your primary residence. In their case that clearly wasn’t true.

If what his spokesperson said to the BBC about it is true, he also lied on his tax returns here. She claims he filed tax returns as a “non-resident alien”. That’s illegal for a green card holder to do.

Don't like him either and has about as much charm as a soiled nappy...But not a great choice to be honest. Same with her lot over here.

To be honest, it doesn't matter if his wife's tax payments were perfectly legal, it just doesn't look good if you are the Chancellor of the Exchequer (or Prime Minister) at the time of a cost of living crisis and you are filthy rich yet find ways to minimise your tax payments. I would say just being filthy rich in itself over the next couple of years will hamper anyone's chances as PM because the public will just think that you don't understand what they are going through. Maybe that's not fair (and it's applicable to more candidates than just Sunak) but I think their wealthy backgrounds will play against them.

Such an over privileged moron!

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