To be hopping mad if Rishi gets pm job?

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Simply because he is super rich and his wife evaded tax while we all struggle with the cost of living? How can they let him stand?

This is not a racist thread btw.

@LemonSwan

Not really fair to double tax someone because of their husbands job and I am pretty sure India needs that tax more than we do.

That's not how double tax treaties work. You don't pay it twice. You pay the going rate in one country (i.e. India), and then if the other country's (UK) tax rates are higher, you pay the difference in the other country. So, say, if India's tax rate is 20%, she'd pay 20% to India. Then because the UK's tax rate is, say, 40%, she'd pay the difference of 20% (i.e. 40 less 20) to the UK. Nearly all double tax treaties between countries worldwide work like that!

This.

Hopefully there will be a general election and we can get a PM who actually knows/cares about laws and standards but, at the very least, if it has to be another Tory boy/girl, I hope it is someone that spends less time laughing at us proletariat.

@Misunderestimated

Current levels of taxation are all about filling the coffers

No one is filling any coffers. We're still borrowing money at an alarming rate, which is forever increasing the national debt.

"filling coffers" would suggest that govt revenue is higher than expenditure, i.e. a surplus to save, which isn't (and hasn't been) the case for many years.

As best, you could say we're raising taxes now, so as to not borrow quite so much, in the hope we can borrow more in the future!

The bottom three quintiles pay zero on tax, on a net basis, receiving more back in tax credits and benefits than they pay in.

It’s not right to claim that they have any tax burden at all as a cohort.

He did not have non-dom status.

This. Which is why people who are not super rich have no faith in them having any political or personal integrity.

Whatever the level of the national debt come the next election (and there's no denying that two trillion is a big number) the fruits of some unnecessary pain now will be dished out to voters in an attempt to buy votes.

I think it's quite important for the Chancellor of the Exchequor to be the committed to the country long term, don't you?

I'm not sure how that equates with being married to someone who's only here temporarily (which is what you have to claim to get non-dom status).

Oh hello Russian bot. Do jog on back to your miserable troll factory. If there is one thing the whole country can agree on it’s that we don’t need the Russian state or it’s corrupt money and we support the people of Ukraine who are being murdered in War crimes every day.

Remember that poor mother and baby murdered by Russia shelling a maternity hospital? I don’t think you will get much sympathy for your abhorrent views here!

And the Russian state murdered a British citizen on British soil by leaving a nerve agent lying around in the street that a child could easily have picked up.

Never forget Salisbury.

At this stage, since all political lives end in failure, someone with a groomed presence, good haircut, ironed clothes and a fresh morning look will do for me for now. Someone who is neither an embarrassment for the UK or embarrassing when representing us abroad, who has respect for the laws of the land and respects the monarch.

Then s/he can do all the other good things. I also hope that whoever succeeds, not only has good grooming but will also take the diplomatic and open minded approach to relations with the EU. Respect....

No but he had an American green card for similar reasons

I’m amazed that among the other untruths that some on here are calling him stupid. He has a degree from Oxford and an MBA from Stanford.

Have any of those claiming he’s thick got any reason to think that they are not just being a bit racist and assuming that he can’t be intelligent because of his ethnicity?

I'm hopping mad whichever bastard Tory gets elected 🤷‍♀️

Seriously?!

I think it was around that time that "tax avoidance" schemes became pretty common place. Beforehand, tax avoidance schemes were the preserve of the super rich/upper classes, so in the big scheme of things, didn't really matter as the overall loss was pretty trivial (simple due to how few people were doing it). It was around Brown's reign (partially caused by his mistakes), that tax avoidance schemes became mainstream amongst middle and higher earners, i.e. film partnerships, offshore trusts, etc., made more accessible because of the internet giving people more information etc. Suddenly you didn't need a top "boutique" accountant, financial advisor or bank manager to tell you about tax avoidance schemes! Because the "wrong" people were using the schemes, Brown and his cohorts in The Treasury and HMRC called foul, and started to reign them in. Poor legislation drafting and poor policy didn't help tax avoidance schemes gain popularity either. Prior to Brown's years, tax "avoidance" was regarded as legal things, and tax evasion was the illegal stuff. Brown changed the terminology by stealth and started saying tax avoidance was illegal (which it wasn't in most cases) and that has now filtered through into modern day terminology, but still isn't supported by law, as we still have the illegal stuff being called, rightly, tax evasion!

I think we need to be quite careful with insinuating that Sunak is not committed to the country. Given the objective evidence - he is still here serving in public office when he has any number of other options for pursuing power and influence - it starts to look a bit like racism.
not saying it is in your case - no doubt you’ll insist you’d take the same view if he was a white British man- but it can edge into perilous territory in my view.

The quality of the Putin troll farm staff has really dropped lately. Can't get the staff.

Some people have very recently been lifted out of National insurance but if you are working full time hours at minimum wage or overtime you are absolutely paying taxes.

The people that do get topped up with UC would no doubt prefer that wages weren’t so depressed that they need their income subsidised by the state.

I can’t imagine you know what it’s like to have a low income if you genuinely have the idea that no one is paying taxes.

He has no commitment at all. He'd only been an MP for a few years and had no previous senior ministerial position before he got the Chancellor's job. He was quick to give it up when he got the sniff of the top job. If he doesn't get the job of PM, you can bet your bottom dollar he won't stay around and will beggar off to some highly paid consultancy job instead. Even if he becomes PM, he'll do it a few years and either get voted out in the next GE (and beggar off to a highly paid consultancy job), or give up when he's done his paymaster's bidding. There are clearly people behind the scenes who are pulling strings for Rishi to be PM for their own purposes. He's certainly doing none of this for the good of the voters!

I'd question the situation of any man who was personally responsible for the rules that allowed his wife (and therefore him and his family) to benefit from huge tax breaks because of their claim to be only in the country temporarily

His wife did not evade tax, she used a legal government program to avoid paying tax on income earned abroad.

Question is why do you feel entitled to her income which was earned in India and which she has paid tax for in India?

There is a reason why governments have a non don tax program and it’s not illegal. If the UK government think it is illegal then scrap the program.

You have to ask why he's an MP when he has so many other options. He has no connection with "ordinary" voters. It's all part of a bigger plan, by people behind the scenes. As soon as he's either done the job they want him to, or he doesn't get to be PM, he'll be cast aside as he'll be of no use to them and he'll be off to do something more lucrative.

Lol don't be stupid. People from Yemen aren't worth worrying about. The same goes for the entirety of the Middle East and North Africa really (the rest of Africa isn’t even on the radar, yet).

As long as black liquid gold flows in the right direction and there's a steady supply of cannon fodder to feed the mighty war machines of the West, the suffering of those who live in the region is irrelevant.

Make no mistake the only reason the West batted an eyelid over the Ukrainian invasion is because it was Russia who carried it out. Just like when we were so outraged that evil soviet Russia dared to invade Afghanistan that we decided to arm and train the mujahideen to fight the good fight against communism. Before later deciding that those same mujahideen were now the enemy and it was perfectly justifiable for us to invade Afghanistan to fight them.

I do really wonder if people would be coming out with this stuff if he was a white man married to a wealthy foreign spouse.
it will always be denied of course but the whiff of something nasty is perceptible

That word “net” in my post, it has quite an important role.

Could you have another read of what I wrote, try to understand it, and have another run at a reply?