Keir? Next PM?

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I don't think he is. Comes across as whiny and self-righteous. Next election I suspect the Tories are toast.

So - if not Dishi Rishi or Sir Keir - then whom?!

The Labour leadership is biding its time. Meanwhile the Tories are busy destroying their party.

im not sure that’s quite true, corbyn the hard left and momentum killed Labour dead. It’s not even a realistic opposition right now never mind realistic to win. Let’s be honest, they ain’t sitting there biding their time as some winning team. And if they are biding their time then they are foolish, they should be getting their house in order. They’ve a lot of work to do.

the tories have just ripped themselves to shreds, but they’ve now still three years in power to fix it.

I'd be happy with Starmer but unfortunately we have to have yet another Tory first.

I see they all want to cut corporation tax, whilst leaving the average voter struggling with rising costs.

What ever you reckon @Od130990 🙈😱😂

How important is honesty and integrity in your choice of politician, @Od130990 ?

That’s really not what the public think. They think Keir and his shadow cabinet don’t have the balls or ability to run the country. Which is very different. And quite frankly the man can’t even say what a woman is, which isn’t exactly a hard decisions really is it? and he is too scared to even make that decision, how the fuck can he run the country?

The opinion polls disagree with you. Starmer has successfully reversed a lot of Corbyn's damage.

Johnson has damaged the Tories in a similar way - how quickly they bounce back will have to be seen once the new leader is in post. They have the advantage of having the r-w press in their camp.

Flora, totally agree

That’s really not what the public think. They think Keir and his shadow cabinet don’t have the balls or ability to run the country. Opinion polling does not bear this out. Voters are not super enthusiastic but currently Labour has a very significant lead.

Shanda I agree.

Blair and Boris both have an energy about them.

I can't see anyone else in politics is relatable.

They have the advantage of being in power. That’s the big advantage. Keir might have reversed some of the damage but it’s not enough to come close to winning an election, it’s short term polls showing voters being disgruntled. Honestly if you’re a true Labour supporter and want them to win, pretending they have fixed it and are a key contender is foolish. It’s never going to get you there. You should be urging them to get clear policies, a strong leader, a strong cabinet and mounting a credible opposition .

Trouble is that people really can't seem to be bothered with drilling down into issues. Apart from some having a go at Starmer over transgender issues and some rather petty name calling towards him and some of the female shadow cabinet members, few have actually made any criticisms beyond anything I would read on the front of a tabloid.

That's the problem really - whether it's years of Tory rule making us dispassionate or people are happy just to make do with the status quo, we won't see any change and therefore should any of us moan about the Tories? It seems to be a bit of a fait accomplis.

Not to in any way undermine the ongoing transgender/women's rights issue but I do feel, given the many issues that we are facing that it is being used as somewhat of a stick to beat him with.

I think the fact that Labour haven't been able to capitalise on any of the many scandals surrounding Boris is testament to how weak Starmer is.

Latest voting intentions have Labour on 40% and Tories on 29% so this statement isn't true.

I've watched Starmer week in, week out during PMQs and he's most definitely not weak. Unfortunately though, he's going to have to court the Tory press in the same way Blair and Campbell did in order to ensure he's given appropriate airtime. Now he's been cleared of wrongdoing by Durham Police he can make his case for being PM in waiting.

My prediction ( for what it's worth) if the LP carry on with Starmer / Raynor the conservatives will win the next GE with a new person even if it's ' I don't know any working class people ' Sunak.

We don't need energy and "charm". We need intelligence, true actual leadership and integrity. We need an understanding of the issues, and a willingness to level openly with people. Not bullshit and spin. Certainly not Boris. Kefir is weak seeming.

Biding their time foe what exactly when a next election is called that is too late

and not a great idea for the byelections 🙄

Starmer has done well kicking the left wing fraction back to the benches just one more to go

but he isn’t connecting with the electorate that’s the problem what are their policies what is their slogan how will they make Britain thrive again a country that is better for all (its a struggle with the Tories having raised taxes)

Its like people have been dispatched all over social media to say "no one wants kier, no one can see him lead, has no ideas, labour still destroyed by corbyn, need to get their house in order etc etc"
That's not what I see and polls and the by -election results show thats not what other people see either.
If people can't afford to heat their homes and drive cars in 2 years time the tories are in trouble.

It interesting because whilst Sunak is going to fall down for being too posh/not having a clue how working class people live, Rayner won't be an attractive leader, even for the working class because she's too working class!

Rayner is a disaster for Labour, too. She's an embarrassment in the North, where I am.

I would definitely agree with this but I was very surprised last week to see how few people had actually heard of her. I suppose it highlights how invisible the Labour party has become under Starmer's leadership.

It is not short term polls, it has been moving in the same direction for a considerable time. When the economy is tanking, there is no advantage to being in power.

I am not a staunch supporter, I will vote for them, but whilst I agree with what you say Labour need, I think you overstate the Tory position. The Tories have no idea how to please both the old voters and the new voters. They are extremely worried about their 2019 coalition of voters falling apart.

I think you're right, there's definitely a campaign going on that says Starmer has no qualities except not being Corbyn, which is blatantly not true, but I do think it will be damaging to him because he's not distinctive enough in his own right.

Why is Rayner embarrassing? I agree I don't think she could be elected as Leader/PM, but why is she embarrassing, other than being a bit rough round the edges ?

Would never vote for Starmer to be PM.

It may be true but why don't working class people believe that a working class person can do a good job.

FWIW - I bloody love Angela Rayner!

They have the advantage of being in power. That’s the big advantage

It won’t be much of an advantage in two years’ time when the cost of living crisis has bitten hard. The adage that oppositions don’t win elections, governments lose them should always be bourne in mind. It wouldn’t surprise me if the Tories would be delighted to spend a bit of time in opposition by 2024, the next couple of years are going to be very tough indeed.

One golden rule of politics is 'never interrupt your enemy when they are making a mistake'. The Tories have been making mistake after mistake since the start of the Owen Paterson affair. Now they are going to rip themselves apart publicly during the summer.

All while Labour focus on actually communicating with voters on doorsteps during recess.

An issue the Tories do have is they have no ground troops, can only communicate through paid comms, media and social media. What they are communicating now is division and chaos. Donations have apparently dried up and will presumably remain suppressed until the new leader is in place.