Keir? Next PM?

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I don't think he is. Comes across as whiny and self-righteous. Next election I suspect the Tories are toast.

So - if not Dishi Rishi or Sir Keir - then whom?!

Spot on @NightmareSlashDelightful. As my gran used to say “Actions speak louder than words”. She also used to say “Talk is cheap”.

@jeaux90 If it is such a simple question, then do feel free to explain what a woman is, because despite all the noise about this I have yet to have an answer.

Alas, the whole Trans culture war won't be the biggest issue facing the country when people can't afford to heat their homes, feed their kids or fuel their cars.

Ah, their consistently appalling performances are all a deliberate strategy. I just thought they were incompetent but I feel better now that they're just pretending at being bad. When are they planning on starting to be good?

When the same government is in power too long it goes stale. Happened to the Tories in the 90s, happened to Labour before they were last voted out. Happening to the SNP in Scotland.

Neither Starmer or Rayner were at Durham Gala (Big Meeting) yesterday . Corbyn was. They need to woo the north not take us for granted.Red wall anyone.

When are they planning on starting to be good?

When their opponents have stopped tearing each other to pieces and there’s some actual politics to be opposed and some bandwidth to make themselves heard. The Tories are providing some pretty effective opposition to themselves right now.

This is why I'm slightly cynical about this. It IS an important issue but there are a huge number of really important issues but time and time again we are getting the same posts and ignoring everything else. The Labour party has a huge number of female members and actually I think that it's pretty insulting to them to suggest by implication that women's rights are not important to them.

Was Rishi at it?

All this hatred for single mothers.

If you have a baby and the father leaves, inless you are on over £40,000 ish you probably are going to find it difficult to pay for mortgage/rent, childcare, travel, food etc so it’s fairly likely that you will claim some sort of benefits.

This is a situation where the woman has done absolutely nothing wrong- in fact generally the father has done something wrong but is stigmatised, looked down on and seen as less worthy.

Sexism on a huge scale. So please on this and the BAME Rishi thread please stop the hatred for single mothers.

They literally have to claim money because the father had absolved himself of responsibility for his own child and won’t pay for it.

Labour do need to sort out their trans position, if only because we currently seem to be in the ridiculous position that people believe the Tories are best for women.

Conservatives the party for women?

I'd like a PM who doesn't harbour sex pests. And who takes the job seriously. I have a longer list than that but it's today's headline.

Well Boris does know what a woman is, just ask his many exs.

And what happened most recently?

These Tory women really aren’t doing themselves or their party any favours right now. It’s almost like they want to be in opposition.

There are far more sinister reasons than that. They include money, old school ties & newspaper barons.

I really like Keir Starmer.I think he has integrity which is a refreshing change after Boris and his crew. He comes from a very ordinary background and has done very well. He did a lot of free work for good causes when he was working as a lawyer. I cannot understand why he hasn’t been more popular. I do think he’s shot himself in the foot with the ridiculous TWAW and I can understand why voters are put off. I am myself. I don’t think the Labour Party have a hope in hell of winning an election with him as leader. It has to be Yvette Cooper. She is hardworking and capable. I don’t agree with all her views but the LP with any leader would be an improvement on this Conservative shower.

Yes please! I am totally up for a straight-laced, intelligent leader with morals. 'Charisma' can f*ck off.

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The by-elections were not a particularly good result for Labour apart from in London. Labour need to desperately move away from being seen as Londoncentric

also mid term the opposition as expected to do well the party that really did well was the Libdems

don’t think they will naturally side with Labour (unless you have a very short memory) this isn’t a given

Agreed!

No Rishi, wasn’t there, it’s a Labour event as far as I’m concerned. Anyway he doesn’t know any working class people.

The problem with Keir Starmer is that he is just blah. He has no charisma, no oomph, no relatabilty. I'm sure he's genuine when he tries to address problems, but his sincere face makes him look worried, like he's constipated or has bad tummy ache. Maybe his job taught him to state facts without emotion but as a politician he just comes across as passionless and with no personality. I wasn't a big fan of Tony Blair but he was a go-getter. He recognised that people viewed the the Tories as the party of aspiration. And he wanted that for Labour. He worked a crowd, and he could read a room. But Starmer is just, well, blah.

I think it would have been best if the police had fined him and he'd resigned.

And Labour had to charm certain newspaper owner to win

that’s the way it is it’s irrelevant if we like it or not. Labour has to be centre left (after the mess Corbyn has left that is quite a challenge to make voters believe they are) and they need a leader that connects with voters.

We are more of a centre right country that’s what you work with gaining those centre/swing voters and possibly some Tory voters not the ones the party feels worthy of having

and stop being idealistic on how you wish politics was it’s never been a fair game it’s always been nasty and had levels of corruption this government has been terrible the worst I can remember yet Labour are not trampling all over them