Keir? Next PM?

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I don't think he is. Comes across as whiny and self-righteous. Next election I suspect the Tories are toast.

So - if not Dishi Rishi or Sir Keir - then whom?!

Reducing vat of fuel bills only saves the consumer 5% and disproportionately favours high use customers.

That is hardly a new idea, it's been going round for months.

Taking vat off, sorry, need coffee.

I want a PM who knows what a woman is & can define one

All the rights people are talking about being diminished for women, are happening under a tory government, a boris johnson government.
He may say he knows what one is, but he treats them appallingly and has not changed anything that improves our rights.

Exactly.

We still have male bodies raping females on hospital wards.

Male bodies in female prisons.

Male bodies in woman refuges.

All of this under Tory leadership.

It's is an important issue to be fought and I believe it will need to be fought continuously for years to come despite sports bodies finally stepping up and speaking out.

It's really irrelevant what the government say - it's what they do. Neither side have stepped up so far.

Boris can say he knows what a woman is. But he has done nothing for woman's rights to make Tory's the best party this way.

Yes indeed it has been going around for months. If you read my original post you will see that I asked which party voted for it in January, and which against.

I agree with pp Labour are infuriating.

Starmer had the chance to back track on his views about women he didn’t. They seem to lack political savvy at times you have to back track at times you have to change direction. This has often been an issue with Labour

Blair and Brown (along with master at political spin Alister Campbell) ran the party with far more authority, with direction, we knew what their policies were and with drive far more like the Conservative party is run efficiently and with ambition to lead the country nothing less will do. As soon as Blair took over as leader the race foe the next election began what do Labour want a fair society how do they achieve that erm accepting men can be women 🙄

I can see Rayner putting in a leadership challenge at some point just to add another nail in

Labour should be way ahead in the polls it’s mid term Labour are always the party that needs to fight more for voters yet they are it’s so disheartening and so frustrating

Rachel Reeves especially as she almost understands what a woman is

all progressive countries have had to deal with the issues of self id in this last 10 years

what ever government is in couldn’t ignore it

a simple well constructed sentence from Johnson was all that was needed why couldn’t Starmer do the same thing ffs

it will come back to haunt him

Yes! He would be a welcome relief from these awful tories.

On paper Starmer should be great.

However he is completely lacklustre, and pretends not to know about womens rights just to appease the heavy handed activists in his party.

Which makes me think he couldn't make any difficult decisions for fear of being unpopular.

A total disaster waiting to happen.

Labour lack politcal savvy?

Remind me which party has lurched from one scandal to the next for the last 8 months?

and they have got rid of their leader

they are looking to the next election once they knew candidates were lined up and Johnson probably wouldn’t win the the next election

why are Labour happy with where they are at the moment 🙄Starmer certainly seems to be

Conservatives are far more politically savvy

there is a reason why they are the most successful political party

Is the Paterson affair a good example of the Conservatives political savvy?

The UK is at its most unstable for at least a 100 years and there is worse to come before another GE.

The entire political landscape could look very different by then.

And what direction do you think the new leader will
take

they will distance themselves from Boris’s leadership making the party the honest party again

of that means a few stabs in the back then so be it

I despair at the state of politics in the UK, I used to think we could never have a worse PM than Thatcher and could never have imagined how bad things could get.

Possibly true, but only within the Westminster bubble and narrow core base. I think you have to look at that political savviness and wonder where it’s got us. A bunch of entitled small government bloaters committing regicide over and over again.

I’m not 100% on Labour’s stance on women’s rights but I think there are a damn sight more people in that party who genuinely strive towards a broad — if necessarily imperfect — ambition of equality than within the Conservatives.

They're the most successful party because of 2 things:

1. FPTP
2. The nasty British trait of people voting for other people to have less than they do, not for everyone to be better off.

I agree Nightmare I am a Labour voter and party member

Im not someone who uses terms like Tory scum and can recognise the more successful of the parties

Labour have a habit of pressing the self distrust button

F*cking hell we really are scraping the bottom of the barrel.

Labour's biggest problem is not something that should be a problem but it's too democratic and not ruthless enough. The Tories are unconcerned at either and have been very successful at the ballot box.

I think the fact that Labour haven't been able to capitalise on any of the many scandals surrounding Boris is testament to how weak Starmer is. The man lacks original thought, is seemingly devoid of personality and considering his previous career is a poor orator. His deputy always comes across as smug, and mirrors his lack of charisma, original thought and oration skills.

With a strong leader I think labour could do OK.

Oh and the VAT on energy tariffs was ruled out because somebody with average usage would save £95 a year, vs the council tax rebate of £150, which also targeted the spend more proportionately to those in greater need.

TBF they were way ahead in the polls the other day but that's all irrelevant anyway. Those polls change by the hour at times.