Keir? Next PM?

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I don't think he is. Comes across as whiny and self-righteous. Next election I suspect the Tories are toast.

So - if not Dishi Rishi or Sir Keir - then whom?!

Jeez, they’re all so shite though. Isn’t there any of the back benchers that can be brought forward? Whoever wins will be the next PM but I can’t see any of them winning much enthusiasm at a general election.

The Tories’ trick — and it is a trick — is the oversimplification of complex issues that ultimately causes damage, but further enough down the line so as to minimise electoral fallout.

They’re good at bombastic three word slogans that sound like they take headaches away for people who aren’t that engaged in politics anyway.

I may not agree with everything Labour — or indeed the Lib Dems, or the SNP — say, but at least they attempt to lean in to the complexity of situations. It’s not always a popular view, but I think uneasy compromises are ultimately the way forward in a country as politically diverse as the UK. The Good Friday Agreement is a good example of this; it’s not perfect, it’s not watertight and it pissed some people off at the time. But it was broadly practical and broadly workable, and it was ultimately the agreement that everyone could get behind with the least amount of egg on their own faces.

The Tories don’t do this (increasingly — I think some of the old school Tories used to be better at it than the current party is now) and so they have a tendency to present overly idealistic solutions that in practice seldom work properly.

10/11 points

the results of the byelections

they shouldn’t be so pleased with this it’s mid term and after all that’s happened they need to be doing better especially now there shall be a change of leader

Four tea.
Self declared purity.

I don't think Starmer is charismatic enough to get elected, regardless of his competence.

Rayner is a disaster for Labour, too. She's an embarrassment in the North, where I am.

Thornbury also needs to be put somewhere out of view. Her condescending tone and manner is not a good look at all.

More people like Yvette Cooper is what Labour really needs.

That’s hilarious

Here's Boris, doing one of his waffley bullshit sentences In this one he refused to say that women have a cervix. This happened one week after Starmer's Andrew Marr interview. www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1501654/Boris-Johnson-GB-News-latest-Conservative-Party-speech-woke-cancel-culture-woman-cervix-vn/amp

It didn't get much exposure and is not an easy find on the internet. He said little different until just before the By-elections.🤔

I agree with this. Johnson’s government has been a complete shitshow. Labour should be miles ahead but I feel they are totally unelectable at present.

I don't disagree with a lot of what pps say around the gender identity stuff but I can't believe they think this is the biggest issue in the country at the moment.

The division between rich and poor is bigger than its ever been. Food banks are a major part of how people feed their families. Levelling up is a load of old cobblers as certain areas of the country are on their knees. Starmer would be 100% better on this than the tories have been. He's also not a liar or a cheat, he doesn't give jobs or contracts to his mates or some bird he's shagging. Or her brother.

I like him a lot and think he'd do a great job as PM. Agree that he needs to set out what the Labour parties key policies would be but remember how badly they did at the last election, that was only 3 years ago. He's done really good work getting them this far up the polls.

I'd like Labour to choose a strong woman as a leader. I'd have voted for Harriet Harman, Mo Mowlam, Tessa Jowell in the past.

Jess Phillips?

I don't think he's identifiable enough. There's a campaign about him not really standing for anything, which I don't think is true, buy because he's not memorable, no one remembers what he's said.

I think it's a real problem for Labour actually. I think he could be a competent PM, but I don't think he'd win an election. The public like "characters".

Starmer has the charisma of a frying pan, which matters. And the policies of a wooden spoon. But his biggest problem is the deadwood he’s surrounded by. Half woman, half hairdo Angela ‘oi scum’ Rayner, David ‘woe is me’ Lammy, Rachel ‘no one else wanted the job’ Reeves, ‘Emily ‘flag hunter’ Thornberry. And the other nobodies that most people cannot name.

Its actually tragic how embarrassing the standard of the shadow cabinet. And they just lost their biggest ally in Johnson. Who, if he’d carried on, would’ve alienated more Tory supporters. Labour really are dead in then water. For now, at least.

haha, nice joke.

He can't define what a woman is. For a man with a deep understanding of the law, that's fairly problematic.

No thanks. I prefer Corbyn and I wouldn't have wanted HIM for PM at all.

How could anybody vote for the conservatives after the last 12 years and the the last few with the despicable Boris Johnson- the sleaze, the lies, changing rules to suit himself and his mates, the lies, pro-roguing parliament, the lies, Rwanda, the lies, Jacob Rees-Mogg, the lies.

I grant you KS is no show pony but you know what I've had enough of shoe ponies with their smirking, lying condescension. Honestly I do despair of the voting public if they think that just because Boris and his mates went to posh schools and talk with plums in their mouths they are somehow the only ones who should be in government.

Show

And as far as knowing what a woman is you do know that the conservatives will absolutely say what they think people will want to hear - and then do absolutely nothing about it!

The next PM has to be a Conservative.

So yeah... could be Starmer.

A lot can happen in two years, and people have short memories. I would not bank on the Tories losing the next election.

I despair. I want competence from the people leading the country, not 'character' - whatever that is. We've all seen what being colourful gets us - an epic shitshow.

Well yes, you'd think that was the common view, but unfortunately history shows it's not what gets you elected.

It took them bloody long enough. Eight months after it was obvious he had to go they kept him. Not only that but the cabinet allowed itself to be wheeled out one after another to defend the indefensible and lie for him.

Christ, they’re even stealing Labour policies - windfall tax anyone? This isn’t the time for Labour to join in and gloat, it’s the time to watch the Tory party destroy itself and indulge in the bloodbath Dorries predicted on Thursday. After months of disgraceful behaviour even now they haven’t learned their lesson and are scapegoating Sunak by briefing against him.

The Labour leadership is biding its time. Meanwhile the Tories are busy destroying their party.

No, me neither. The electorate is basically right leaning and scared of the left. Johnson staying might have given Labour a chance, but now the Conservatives have plenty of time to regroup and win the next election IMO

Welll clearly it can’t be stammer, it’s whomever is the leader of the Tory party. Stammer is Labour. It’s highly unlikely he will defect to Tory and stand for leadership and then win. For Labour to stand a chance there needs to be an election.

so it’s one of the ones who have put their name in so far.