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AIBU?

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to exclude one girl?

186 replies

ExplodingCarrots · 07/07/2022 17:43

It’s a party one.

DD party coming up. Having a party in the house so can’t invite whole class. We’ve never done whole class parties , only a couple of friends so never excluding a small number.

We had an issue the last time we had a party at the house where the boys who were invited were badly behaved so DD has said she wants to invite girls only.

The issue we have is that there is one girl in the class who is very mean to other kids and disruptive. She joined the school a year and a half ago and I know numerous parents have been in to school to complain because their child has been bullied , hit and called names. My DD started playing with the girl but it ended up in numerous dramas and my DD ending up being upset so she’s been told by the teacher and myself to stay away from each other. The other day my DD and her best friend were sat in the playground and the girl approached them and called them fat and told them to kill themselves. Obviously this upset them.

Because of this , DD doesn’t want to invite this girl. I completely agree as to why she don’t want her there BUT there’s this moral dilemma of obviously excluding 1 girl. DH is of the stance of this girl is not setting foot in the house and that’s that after she has said these things. But I’ve read on here so many posts saying you can’t exclude one child. I feel guilty but want to protect my DD too.

This girl tends to play with other boys and girls in other year group class so not a case of her not having friends. I obviously feel for her because she’s 8 and sounds very unhappy.

In these circumstances would it be ok not to invite? Other girls in the class who have been friends with DD since age 4 are terrified of this girl too. Invitations would be directly given to parents and not handed out in school to avoid other kids noticing .

Kids are 8 , DD will be turning 9.

YANBU - don’t invite
YABU - can’t exclude

OP posts:
Mally100 · 07/07/2022 19:26

Why are posters automatically assuming she must have a difficult home life or there must be some other issue Hmm. Some children are genuinely awful little shits. No other reason for it other than they are. And the teacher told them to keep apart, so why would she be invited. The bully needs to suffer the consequences, not be pandered to.

HoneyFlowers · 07/07/2022 19:26

Wow, you should absolutely not invite her.
Your daughter has a right to invite who she wants to her party and that is that. I wouldn't think anymore about it. Just enjoy your party!

isadoradancing123 · 07/07/2022 19:28

No way would i invite her,

Imthedamnfoolwhoshothim · 07/07/2022 19:28

YANBU at all. At what point do we allow all childreb to experience natural consequences?

Your home is DDs safe haven.
Her party is one day a year that is hers for her happiness and indulgence.

She is not being spiteful she is being safe.

Whatever is going on in that child's life is not her problem. Or the other kids.

I would only reiterate the importance of her always enforcing her boundaries with bullies if she were to be challenged.

Imthedamnfoolwhoshothim · 07/07/2022 19:29

LetMeInYourWindow · 07/07/2022 18:55

Bullying by exclusion is still bullying.

I’d have to have a smaller party, regardless of her behaviour, I couldn’t actively invite every girl except one.

No it's not. This is a natural consequence to bullying. They are protecting themselves against a danger.

ExplodingCarrots · 07/07/2022 19:30

linenalltheway · 07/07/2022 19:23

Personally I think it's mean to invite 13/14 girls in the class if that's what you're saying

Just checked and it's 12 , 18 including the other class girls who won't be invited .

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DayreeMilk · 07/07/2022 19:30

I'm sure many of us remember the bully from our childhoods, and I would have been so intimidated if my mother had invited mine to my birthday party. Who on earth would do that to their child?

She's a little shit who you bear no responsibility for OP.

JesusChristThatsTastyQuorn · 07/07/2022 19:30

Definitely the right thing not to invite her. The bully won't learn the error of her ways if people keep enabling her.

Clymene · 07/07/2022 19:31

So you're inviting 13/14 girls.

Now that is bullying. From an adult.

Slow handclap

Imthedamnfoolwhoshothim · 07/07/2022 19:32

Clymene · 07/07/2022 19:31

So you're inviting 13/14 girls.

Now that is bullying. From an adult.

Slow handclap

How? Why the hell should these girls have to share space or air with someone so dangerous?

That probably causes them actual fear?

Clymene · 07/07/2022 19:32

And please can anyone give any examples of children being excluded and learning the error of their ways.

Because that isn't how children work.

ExplodingCarrots · 07/07/2022 19:32

Clymene · 07/07/2022 19:31

So you're inviting 13/14 girls.

Now that is bullying. From an adult.

Slow handclap

Seems I can't win either way.

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Imthedamnfoolwhoshothim · 07/07/2022 19:33

Clymene · 07/07/2022 19:32

And please can anyone give any examples of children being excluded and learning the error of their ways.

Because that isn't how children work.

Can you explain one benefit to victims being forces to have their abuser in their home?

LivingLifeOnTheVeg · 07/07/2022 19:34

Obviously the bully isn’t invited. If your daughter wants to invite all the others, she should. By not inviting some of the others, the bully is having some control over your daughters life. Fuck that.

Mally100 · 07/07/2022 19:36

Clymene · 07/07/2022 19:32

And please can anyone give any examples of children being excluded and learning the error of their ways.

Because that isn't how children work.

Maybe it's not about the bully learning a valuable lesson, but more the op showing her daughter that she supports her.

MarshaBradyo · 07/07/2022 19:36

It’s true including rather than excluding might help more but the dd should be allowed to work out who she wants on her space at home - be it male or female

it is tricky though and either way there will be people pointing out issues

You could have her there and watch closely (not the child’s parent though that would be odd) but I still think a child should be able to choose first

spongbob · 07/07/2022 19:38

Ignore the people on here implying YABU. There's always people will have a problem. Don't invite her, and you don't have to feel bad - you have good reason not too. Your DD and her friends shouldn't have to miss out for one bullying child.

strawberrylacey · 07/07/2022 19:42

It'd be so satisfying if you booked a community hall and invited the whole class except her

Persephoned · 07/07/2022 19:46

It sounds really tough OP. I agree you shouldn’t invite someone your daughter doesn’t want there. But I do think it’s awful to exclude just one girl from a class invite. I’d go down the smaller party/event with 6/8 of them this year. Yes, her behaviour has been bad, but she’s 8. And I agree that singling out an 8 year old as a baddie is not helpful. So let our daughter have a lovely smaller party and maybe chat to the teacher about your concerns too

ExplodingCarrots · 07/07/2022 19:47

strawberrylacey · 07/07/2022 19:42

It'd be so satisfying if you booked a community hall and invited the whole class except her

Could never do that . I'd never do a whole class party anyway ... too stressful 🙈

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BMW6 · 07/07/2022 19:49

Of course the vile bully should not be invited!
An 8 year old knows right from wrong. The bully knows she's being horrible. She just enjoys it.

InChocolateWeTrust · 07/07/2022 19:54

I wouldn't ever exclude a primary aged child.

I'd invite fewer children. Eg I'd perhaps only have 8 of 15 girls in a class, one of whom was the "mean" child.

InChocolateWeTrust · 07/07/2022 19:55

An 8 year old knows right from wrong. The bully knows she's being horrible. She just enjoys it.

A child that age can easily get stuck in a cycle. They lose their temper or react badly once. They get teased, no one let's them forget it, so they start to push back and their behaviour gets worse and worse.

Excluding her will exacerbate it, it helps no one.

notanothertakeaway · 07/07/2022 19:56

I think aged 8, to invite 13 / 14 girls is unkind

Better to scale back the party and invite fewer people. Or host a few separate playdates for 3 or 4 kids

hangrylady · 07/07/2022 19:57

Cavviesarethebest · 07/07/2022 17:54

I think this is hard - imagine what abuse they poor girl is likely to be subject to to sct
like
that.

csn you talk to the teacher and maybe get more understanding of the situation?

What now?

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